LarryH57

I count this problem for the Germans as so typical of what my old mum used to call 'wooly headed' thinking! Its in the same category of stripping owners of aircraft instruments because of the radioactive paint. My dad wore his RAF watch complete with radio active paint for decades with no harm done whatsoever.

This old guy in Germany was unlikely to use it to run over pedestrians like some jihadi. It is refreshing that we are still permitted to own armoured vehicles in this country and not have to cut a square of armour out next to the driver.  Long may that remain!

No wonder you see so many Germans dressed as German Army or SS at Beltring actual allowed to relax!

I guess the vehicles we care about dont have a catalytic converter?

And out of interest how many voters own Historic or Classic Vehicles, say compared to those who 'know' that Carbon in the atmosphere has gone up thousands of percentage points since 1st Jan 2020.

If you were a politician who would you pander to????

So in WW2 it was just the outside colour to use for inside the cab.

Guys, not owning a WW2 truck, I would like to know what paint colour was used on the inside of Allied vehicle cabs. I have read that they usually matched the exterior and recent posts on here suggest that is the case. Understandably if you open a white painted cab door it might show up to the enemy.

So where did the idea come from that  ‘eau de nil’ was introduced? Was it just an 'RAF think' or post war think with Gloss Bronze Green?

BTW - for clarity I'm excluding the internal colours of Office and Medical trucks that I know where white or cream to provide light. So its just the cabs I'm interested in.

I don't think the UK used Dodges as range targets, so I guess the damage was done for real in WW2 or the vehicles were used as a film prop and got 'shot up' by the film props department 

Terryb 

With hydrogen we might see the return of 'petrol pump attendants' or rather whatever they will be called such as fuel replenishment establishment executives of FREE for short  - unlike the cost of hydrogen, which will still be subject to a carbon tax !

Incidentally, hydrogen technology to power vehicles has advanced somewhat in recent years, so it is unlikely that some old Miss Marple character will be squirting liquid hydrogen all over the forecourt not knowing how to stop! 

Ted, as ever - thanks for the clarification

Just a bit of research since my last post.

It seems that as long as we use oil for plastics and a vast amount of non-fuel substances, then due to the distillation process there will be diesel and petrol and gas as a waste product? Might this be available for Historic  & MVs.

Also as one commentator said online, I doubt you are going to see a farmer ploughing his fields in an electric tractor or a quarryman extracting 30 tons of rock in an electric dump truck or even a long distance articulated lorry drive from the North to Dover in an electric rig. 

Plus as yet nobody has worked out what to do with the old batteries!

That's great - but where am I to get a Studebaker 6x4 which I guess is a US6 version. Some were 6x6 and still US6

Many years ago there was one on a London to Brighton run with a registration of GAB 919, not that I remember having seen one at any MV show!  A photo on the web also shows OFF395 at a MV show

Ted how do you know the vehicle belonged to No 4 MT? Just from the 4 on the fender? Not the bridging weight?

BTW Ted - have a look at MLU later

Guys, firstly may I have the RAF vehicles identified, in the attached photo line up from WW2. I know the middle vehicle in a Bedford MW type, but is it just a GS truck? The trucks both appear to be 4x2. Is that just an illusion?

I may approach the National Trust to see if they might wish to take a then and now photo in their courtyard. But are the vehicles readily available if we wanted to ?

Is anybody interested? 

Hughenden Manor is just north of High Wycombe.

Strangely this site was so secret that the National Trust never knew about it until in recent years a very elderly map maker returned on a visit with his family and started discussing where he sat and where work was done, and a staff member overheard, and from that they are looking to create a room dedicated to the memory of those who served there.

Your thoughts please.

Larry

I can see your point!

But out of interest will it ever come to a point when we need electrification? The government is hell bent on getting rid of Petrol? It won't to be long before  the only option at the pumps is E50 (50% Ethanol!), hydrogen, or a charge of your battery!

Rootes 75,

BTW the colour of canvas on trucks in WW2 is a subject in its own right, as I have seen wavy pattern camo on the canvas tops of vehicles with 'micky mouse ear' camo and also camo in a completely contrasting colour like in the attached example, with the RAF Canadian Dodge 3 tonner in the back ground (note the type number on the door). Perhaps by a certain date (1944 onwards) they could not be bothered for the canvas to match!

Guys,

Yes, I regularly correspond with Mike Starmer and we both agree that seeing a colour photo of a British & Commonwealth Army truck or non-armoured type from WW2 is very rare and often corrupted by the type of colour film but here are some from my collection showing the early G3 / G4 scheme used before SCC.2;

This line up of the first Canadian troops to be posted to the UK and I believe they date from 1940. Most of the Canadian CMPs are equipped with CMP 11 Cabs and Bedford & Morris vehicles with aero screens etc

Last is an ambulance which I can only guess is in SSC.2 from an unknown date, that shows SCC.2 was mostly brown with a touch of green to it. It was a gift from the Canadian Red Cross.

Its a sad fact that any colour of Panzer you want, there will be a reference for it and yet SCC.2 that was used for most of the inter war years 1941-44 is almost impossible to find in colour photos!

Yes I heard that too, that brand loyalty has no purpose at the petrol station, if all petrol is from the same place. But for me I'd like to know what bits of the carb or elsewhere will be attacked by E10 and what I can do about it? Are there any after market parts that can help the situation? 

So I'm told E5 will still be available after switch over day and even now I use the highest grade of 97 octane at my local BP garage in my Landrover Lwt.

What would be interesting is any preventive measures we should take etc. At the moment with covid etc my Lwt is not used enough, so the petrol in the carb evaporates between drives. Does that help reduce the problem if I was to use E10.

Also are there any vehicles that will suffer a significant loss of power? Fingers crossed my Lwt seems to be ok with old petrol older than 6 months so is that an indication of how it would be with E10?

Thanks Lex,

Its been a while since I had to change a battery on a car; in this case my mothers which had not been driven for months. Incidentally it was from Halfords whereas the battery on my Lwt has been on there for years and works fine even if usage was low during lockdown! Its a Duccelier battery.

Yes, it needs to be deleted

Well if copper is ok I will leave it at that, as its a thin piece and yet just enough to give that tightness I need, so no messing with the leads or the tightening ring is needed. Thxs all.

I got one of those rings to fit on the battery from Halfords today, but it was too fat. It fitted over the battery negative terminal OK but was then too big to fit inside the ring on the end of the negative wire. I found a thin sheet of copper to wrap around the battery terminal and it is now secure, so I  can't pull off the battery lead. But will the copper be ok or will it react with the battery or get hot or do something i dont expect?

I bought a vehicle battery and the negative terminal was smaller than the positive. That meant that the connector on the negative was still loose even with the securing ring tightened to its maximum point. I could just pull it up and off. After a test drive it was nearly off the terminal. If i use copper, lead or steel to wrap around the battery to allow the negative lead to fix tightly, are there conductive metals to avoid?

And BTW why are negative terminals on new batteries smaller than the positive ones?

I bought a vehicle battery and the negative terminal was smaller than the positive. That meant that the connector on the negative was still loose even with the securing ring tightened to its maximum point. I could just pull it up and off. After a test drive it was nearly off the terminal. If i use copper, lead or steel to wrap around the battery to allow the negative lead to fix tightly, are there conductive metals to avoid?

And BTW why are negative terminals on new batteries smaller than the positive ones?

Regarding burning verses abandoning, I too was thinking that there must have been so much smoke, that it would have not attracted any attention or that it was so thick as to obscure what was below. Would a Stuka pilot just bomb blind; I doubt he would want to return to base to report that he had bombed in a vague area where the enemy was likely to be? Obviously British & French soldiers just did what was best  and even if the British Army lost circa 93,000 vehicles, did it give the Germans a really great advantage if they did not capture the men that drove them if they were eventually evacuated? 

To reiterate what others have said - a really great selection of photos.

I have read of the various methods of disabling vehicles but it surprizes me (in the comfort and safety of my living room chair) why so many vehicles were abandoned in a usable condition. Surely setting them on fire would have made many useless to the Germans. Did the occupants have no time to do this? Did they surrender immediately they got out?