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As reported  (Hexham Courant)  accident  at Black Carts Farm  B6318  Military Road ,  seems some sort of MOD truck - can somebody identify make/type ,  seems a soldier staggering away in the field  ?

19 hours ago, Richard Farrant said:

And who was the idiot who allowed car makers to put the front indicators in with the headlights? Very difficult to see them when headlights are on, which is most of the time nowadays. Its all about image and styling ...... ?1?

The greater idiot being the originator of what is now called the front  'bumper'  common to many cars - in fact it is the entire front of the car complete with all lighting & a PITA to remove/fit.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67997406

1 hour ago, Noel7 said:

From BMLR again:

17CL48 to 20CL22   Land Rover Series 2 Mark 6 ½ Ton 4x2   6/VEH/27756

25CL50 to 25CL99   Land Rover Mk 7 Station Wagon FFW  6/VEH/28020

35CL21 to 35CL40    Land Rover Mk 7 cargo with tilt  KL/H/0100

I have a reference which shows some Spartans carried nnGSnn series low numbers. It's not entirely reliable though and not a period I know anything about otherwise.

The mentioned ERM Contract(s)  -  do you know of their  DIS  years  ?

1 hour ago, wally dugan said:

the ERM  GS  was allocated for the years 1977/1978 along with  GT GX  GU and GV

Have you known of any  ERM  - GS  dated  1977/78  ?

If only I could remember to my memory all this  !

20 minutes ago, 10FM68 said:

Yes, there is no connection between the ERM --CL-- and 'Commercial' - I have photos of both Bedford RL and Millie Mk1 s with CL plates - it was, I understand, merely the ERM for contract year 58/59.  Equally ERM --CT-- wasn't used for 'Combat' (or at all in fact) and 'GS' was contract year 77/78

As far as I am aware  -  roughly  (financial year) as they fall in step  :-

GB =  74/75   GJ  =  76  ,  77?   GN  = 77 ,   GT  =  78/79  ,  GX  =  77 / 78    then it was   HF  =  79, 80?   ,   HG =  80,  HH - 80 , 81?   HJ  =  81?     etc.

Don't recall any  'GS'  Contract Year   ?

1 hour ago, ted angus said:

When the RAF / Air ministry ceased to have responsibility for its real estate, some of its vehicles and plant were transferred to the Ministry of Public Buildings and Works  (MPBW) ** FUL is part of a large block allocated to the MPBW. I have 37 FUL on my database as a hardtop. Over the years there has been much discussion as to the colour schemes of these airfield lighting trucks, in addition to RAF B/G with yellow, red and white was also used for vehicles whose primary task was in the active flying areas ie the runway, its approaches, taxiways and flight lines.

 

 

 

 

That would account for the very short service life with RAF  -  1959 to March 1963 when it received civvy First Registration.

https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/VehicleFound?locale=en

PLASTIC  & there are others similar - cheap for tractor cabs etc.

The Defender style mirror by Ashtree is quite good and a close copy of the original by Britax, there are also copies just as good  (IIRC made in Taiwan)  sold by the 'aftermarket'.    A genuine steel shell type made by Wingard / Britax as used on late model LWT - new or used could be quite expensive  £

Your grille mesh has a aperture for bonnet release - this is civvy,  I think S2 were like S2A  no bonnet release - as reliant on a pair of spring-loaded bonnet catches & the weight of the spare tyre helped.  Your razor edge bonnet - does it have trace of spare mounting  ?    

Is your tub civvy or military - if the bulkhead/transom has facilityto secure the spare wheel - that's more civvy.  If not but has a hook spine thing to secure a T bolt - then that is a military feature to mount a 1/2 Jerry for engine L.O.

I think your truck is a Solihull /RAF  AMALGAM  ,  it may have RAF nomenclature  but it does seem a civvy basic utility, a true military spec. has many more fittings.  For base facilities - a " cost-cutter".   I stored a front axle tube (no diff.) for  4x2 and IIRC it was for a early S2A  Ex-RAF   & as strange as it may seem  ISTR it had twin petrol tanks.  The tube was just that with a pipe-flange each end to bolt the chrome swivel housings , I still have it but it's under 2ft of concrete along with a few dismantled leaf springs for riverbank anti-flood reinforcement.

I have the book - just need to find it  !

Paint colour  -   I tend to look where people fail to rub down prior to brush/roller or spray - because it's out of sight.   Cover plates on dash - remove ,  seat base / bulkhead /tub   - often original paint extanct.  Few places underbonnet / firewall. 

You are certain to find Solihull factory evidence somewhere.  I have known hoods to be painted yellow on roof - sometimes they have a vinyl roof glazing for 1/3 to 1/2 approx. area,   this is not just with glider tugs.

Have you considered setting up a Ltd. Company , business of Abnormal Load ESCORT ,  you having the Lion's share of  £100 paid-up ?     Capital equipment , vinyl chevrons, couple of amber beacons ,  old Ford Transit or Toyota pick-up  or even a old Range Rover or Fiat Panda 4x4  LoL  (I have one).  ISTR that brokers love real commercial business and 5+ vehicles insurance & the premium £ tumbles.

Normally a  S2  88" would be a Rover 6  (a S2A  88" would be a Rover 8 or 10).  I doubt it was a Rover 6 as I think it was more a straight civilian BASIC spec..

It does have 'stacked' front light fittings indicating a military spec. however over 60+ years wing panels do get changed.   Presently I can't lock on to the Contract / Item No.  

FV18003 was this  10 cwt  4x4 truck / VAN  airfield lighting maintenance  vehicle in Series One form kitted for a crew of four.   (Rover 3  , 86" w.b.)  134 vehicles supplied to RAF in 1955.  I can't fully remember but the S2 'run-on' may have been 4x2  , possibly provided by Ministry of Supply  (Ex-C.D. top-up)

It would IMHO have been a  Contract Code  B  - meaning a  BASIC  civilian spec.  with a few military bolt-on (Optional Parts - such as a tin-top &  cat-flap)  + a few one-off military spec. parts such as a  single 'dickie' seat in the tub - basic ladder rack & extension ladder.  It would  probably have a NSN  of  -  2310-99-893-3439 or one very near.  Your chassis No. is probably in the range  141100963 to 141102369   or near  ?

Part of the nomenclature could have included  CL  (ComerciaL)   and ISTR Army actually allocated a VRM  --CL--  ,  CL semed to be extinguished for all S2A military production but was reactivated for S3  (but not inclued in VRM).

Perimeter track work + airside - I would say it probably was all yellow  ,  airside would normally be roof = yellow.

Bit of a strange one - sorry can't assist any more.

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I think I would be using (after cleaning)  aerosol  ROCOL , or similar manufacture , Chain Drive spray  - periodically to get the latest thinking of extreme pressure lubricant & additives where it's needed.

7 hours ago, LarryH57 said:

Thanks all.

My Lwt was cast in 1991, so had about half its service from 1980, when Defenders were on the scene?

If it has 'brackets'  made from flat-plate abt 3mm thick x approx.  50mmx80mm affixed to the top door hinge - then these are correct part for fitting the 5/8" stem mirrors or the Defender mirror.  Unfortunately the common bodge is to bend the hinge and drill abt.  1/4" dia. to bolt the mirror on direct (secured with two hex. nuts then hidden behind the hinge.  More than a fair share of  KD  LWT I have seen with Defender alloy door tops (used prior to civvy single piece doors)  , in fact probably all the few KD I have seen , so I suppose these were fitted on Solihull line.   Perhaps on-highway safety is to be considered more than time-line accuracy.  You need to see the rear O/S corner , as close to rear & behind  & overtaking vehicles.  Due to differences , human build ,  Defender seats etc.   I would say tilt-rolled up & choke on exhaust fumes , interior mirror & Defender with convex glass.  Modern vans are better equipped but any LR with a hood or tin-top seems to have more danger than Classic vans BIG or small.  Have you noticed that overtakers sometimes appear out of nowhere  ?

btw  -  wings went unchanged with door mirrors - they just fitted a grommet.   1979 on  - proper  FFR front wings had a spade lid for co-axial connections box & IIRC miror hole was deleted.

S2A  & S3  had 'long-stem' wing mirrors  with a oblong head (that cracked at the corners) , in the 1970's I was also fitting  door mirrors/brackets by Wingard - from the lR Optional  Parts book - you could use the oblong or round head (that did not crack)  but  also fitted a 'overtaker' , these civvy parts had a 1/2" dia. stem.   It would be 1979   VRM  of  HF  , that the wing mirrors were dropped and a WINGARD  door mirror was used with a heavier hinge bracket , these have a 5/8" dia. stem with bigger oblong head - these had a steel shell and are now RARE  although many plastic copies very near - these were from the "commercial catalogue".    Defender arms/heads -  I think Solihull may have fitted on very late KC & KD  , also by Britax/Wingard , the parts bin was probably empty and superceeded by the Defender type that had come on stream & arguably better (in convex).  Defender type - the Britax type were coped by others - you would be hard pushed to tell the difference , most of these made in Taiwan and are a fract.ion of 'genuine'  ££    (As used on LWT - boomerang spring mechanism was on all  Britax-WINGARD)  cheapo wing mirrors often just clamped with a pair of large flat washers. .

For rivet-counters - genuine long-stem wing type  NOS are a top $ totally stupid price most Rover 1  / early S3 resto are spoiled by lacking.    Real r/c.trs  would only fit a proper metal shell head to a door mirror.

57 minutes ago, Jessie The Jeep said:

An 'A' Frame tow bar.

UK towing rules are complicated with regards to 'A' frames and braking, particularly in case of a breakaway.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/a-frames-and-dollies/a-frames-and-dollies

I suppose most people just accept the word 'dashboard'  like  garage without question to origin , I think the construction / finishing of this Peerless dashBOARD  - finally nails the matter - other than  DASH  &  btw  , I don't know the origin of the word garage  ?

On 11/27/2023 at 9:47 AM, LarryH57 said:

Only £1,872 (including VAT,) for a set of 5 tyres. Not far off the value of a Lwt in the days when the Army got rid of petrol powered vehicles!

I'll ask my man to go and get them!

But it's 20+ years since MVS handled the S3 fleet disposals m, £ inflation during this period  ?

MVS  -  £2K would have been average / good but not VGC ,  a low mileage Minta unblemished was £3K

Presently - £ have slid back - but average / good (unmolested) - you are looking at £8K to £10K private  &  if you can find a genuine low mileage minta with MOD service record - then the £ valuation would be well north of that for S3.

These Super-Traxion should be a good long lasting tyre , or tire as they are U.S. manufacture and arguably their standards will exceed the UK / Euro. minimum requirements of E Conformity, they are expensive , the £ is high but probably enter UK on a pallet not in a 40ft container.  It would be interesting to see what private import £ would be for a set of 5  (but I always use old tyres for spares).

4 qty. in (UK) stock - however you would have to launch the boat out  !

http://www.northhantstyres.com/sta-tyres-sale/650-16-sta-super-traxion.php

Those Vredstein Classics  (but out of stock)  - on 5.50 rims are a very good tyre - suit me as best all-rounders.   7.00 were always the best tyre on a civvy 88" Basic utility /  CL   ,  at least with a 2286cc diesel you did arrive

https://www.vintagetyres.com/vehicle-make/land-rover/land-rover-series-3-88

Nip over to France for some  7.00x16 , a far better size for a LWT than 7.50x16  (and does not need a change to speedo head) , shop around - you should find them lots £ cheaper.

Approx.  2 years ago I read a article about the Series One  LR  "REBORN" vehicles ,  starting at £80K +++  for a repaired chassis from OZ fitted with lots and lots of spurious parts and for 6.00x16  - they were fitting new Bar-grip / NDT

https://pneucollection.com/en/military-4x4/1167006469-tire-firestone-700-16-100n-ndt.html