Richard Farrant

While we are discussing trans. brake testing on the MoT, there is an issue at present with the information given by the new MoT computer system regarding late type Land Rovers with the diff in the transfer box, ie. 90/110, Range Rover, etc. Apparantly, it tells the tester to test the trans. brake at 20 mphon a flat surface, this will do horrendous things to the drive train and when one owner saw and heard this take place he nearly lynched the tester. As LR state, that type of brake should not be used whilst the vehicle is moving.

I have seen a trans. brake drum explode on a Bedford MK, the results looked like a hand grenade had exploded under the axle, both tyres punctured and shrapnel straight through the timber board floor of the body and out through the canopy top. Now tell me it is safe and correct to use these brakes whilst in motion, test or otherwise. When testing comes down to it, the manual is only a guide, because different vehicles have to be assessed on their various designs, what it boils down to is common sense and experience, something the younger testers do not have. I took a customer's Bedford MW for testing last year and when it came to the brake test, the young sprog said it was too old for testing the brakes. I told him he was wrong and that he should do it. As the brakes were in top order it came out high on the scale and he was "amazed", and as I said, that is without a servo. Then as I drove off, I realised he forgot to test the horn or wipers!

Richard

Same as on a Land Rover. Thinking about it he never puts the handbrake on when its on the rollers so it doesn't get tested in action. I have to pull the handbrake on when its static and he observes the linkage move & hears it click. But thinking about it there is no verification of the handbrake actually functioning.

Clive,

Transmission brakes should not be applied while the vehicle is moving. That is why they are not tested on the rollers. The load imposed on the transmission could shear a propshaft. The test is to apply the brake on a slope and check that it does not roll. Cannot of the top of my head, remember degree of slope, but it is not much. As the law is on Construction & Use, I think you will find that road vehicles should have two independantly controlled braking systems, thus foot and hand brake.

Richard

Apparantly it is something about armoured vehicles being in the same classification as firearms. I think the French can get around it by clubs or museums owning the vehicles. We were warned about taking armour to Normandy last year, but those that did, had no problems, it may only be French owned ones that come in to it.

I understand that vehicles taken to France to take part in an organised event are not a problem. This is from a guy who is a member of one of the French mv groups.

Richard

I drove around this year in my jeep with a V112 :roll: but I am pretty sure it was illegal

Whats the point of doing that when it is so easy to MoT a jeep? If you had been asked to produce your docs, you would have found it cheaper to have had it tested.

The V112G is for heavy vehicles where the only test facilites are Ministry Test stations and they obviously do not wish to get them in the system there. It is all done on trust that the vehicle is kept in good order and safe.

Kewelde

In hydraulic pressure guages, glycerine is used to damp the needle flucturations down, probably the same for the compass.

Richard

Thanks I'll start looking for EP90.

Mad Man,

Sorry, you misunderstood my message. The gearbox should NOT have EP90 in it, because I believe there are bronze bushes in it and the additives in EP oil eats into them.

The correct oil is SAE 90, what we would call in the UK, a "straight oil"

There is a distinct difference between the two oils.

Richard

But what oil is suitable :?:

Going by the manual it would be SAE 90 gear oil, do not confuse this with SAE 90EP. The later has extreme pressure additives which can eat into bronze and brass. Often refered to as a "straight oil", SAE 90 is best for jeep gearboxes as the use of an EP oil, hampers the braking action of the synchros, by the EP additives doing exactly what they say on the tin.

Richard

Jack,

AC was a division of General Motors Corporation, they made dynamos, starters, distributors, filters, thermostats, rad and fuel caps,guages, etc. as well as spark plugs.

Richard

I remember on the 1989 MVT D-Day tour, we spent a week in Bagnoles. On the day of the parade through the town is was hot and those tanks with rubber pad tracks were not allowed to continue because they were lifting the bitumen. Those with steel tracks were causing no more than white scratches on the road.

Richard

The only music I want to hear in the pig is the sound of the engine that is still running, particiular when I am in the middle lane of the M27.

 

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Clive,

Would that music be what they call "heavy metal" then?

Richard :lol:

Can anyone answer the following:

 

 

Try Philip Bashall at Dunsfold Landrovers, he had a Shorland and stocks heaps of parts for all models, from Series 1 onward.

Richard

Was there a WWII 3/4 ton or 1 ton trailer used by Canadian or British forces other than the US made Ben Hur?

 

 

Yes, one example is a restored one owned by Simon Thomson, in the Isle of Wight. There was an article on it in the MVT Windscen magazine a while ago, cannot lay my hands on it at present

Richard

Do you guys have any information about the Dutch MVT annual meeting at Bastogne in December.

Karoshi,

Don't mind me jumping in here, but I think you mean the Belgium MVT, they run the event, check out their website.

Richard

odd question... but what song ..... would you think was best linked?

 

 

In my Bedford QL, it would have to be "Convoy" by CW McCall.......because when you look in the mirror, you would say "we got us a convooyy"

 

Richard

Jack,

Safety is paramount.......and also abiding by the laws on lighting, Road Traffic act, Construction and Use Act, etc.

My interests are WW2 British vehicles, they originally had one tail light, no stop light and one masked headlight. You have to compromise if you want to use it on the road. Flashers are essential, so I position them off the bodywork so they are not obtrusive, but in a correct dimensional position but under the body or wings. Same with tail lights and reflectors.

Richard

Just seen Clives message, and agree, that a few concession to originality have to be done for safety and self preservation.

Antifreeze? Who needs that? We use it but it isn't necessary here.

Modern Antifreeze does more than just what its name is. It is a year round coolant inhibitor, lubricates the pump, stops corrosion, keeps the system clean and raises the boilng point. I have seen mv's in Australia with cooling problems, brown sludge coming out of the rad when removed, when you suggest that antifreeze should be used, they think you are mad, because it does not freeze (there are some parts of the country that do freeze of course, but this was not one of them!).

Richard

Don't forget extra toilets

Better leave that to Clive, he has the drawings to build them, see Buckets thread :lol:

What happens if I do press it?

Richard, don't touch it whatever you do !!!!! I will blow the wheels off..........

No, it is there to test the circuit, so you know the warning light works. I think it is a rocker switch....

Richard

I am sure that the machine shown, is a replica built for display at the Museum of Army Flying, Middle Wallop.

Richard

The panel also houses two pull switches, one for the Fog light, the other for the hazard lights and then there are two illuminated warning signs, the one with REAR GUARD and the other says BRAKE ( I'm guessing this is for low brake fluid)

Richard,

The REAR GUARD warning relates to the rear fog lights which were refered to as Rear Guards. My memory is dimming now, as it is at least 10 years ago since I had a lot to do with the Army's fleet. If you put the rear guards (fogs) on, this warning should come on. If it comes on when using any other light on the rear, flashers I think you said, then I would put it down to a local earthing problem at the rear and it is feeding back to the rear guards. Get someone to operate the lights while you observe what happens at the rear.

Re. the BRAKE warning light, it may be low level warning, but I cannot remember there being a switch in the filler cap. I think you will find it is connected to a switch in a shuttle valve in the brake circuit. This is in case a pipe is damaged and one axles brakes loose fluid, the valve should move over and seal the damaged line off, thus retaining brakes on the other axle. If this happens, the switch activates the warning light. there should be a brake "press to test" switch on the centre of the dash.

Richard

thanks, you know of any m201's in need of a big restoration job for sale?

I understand that you can find them in the South of France at reasonable prices, where there is little interest in mv collecting and they have only been used as runarounds or farm hacks.

If you have any contacts in that area of France, get them to keep a look out.

Richard

Has anyone out there found a modern replacement for the CCKW brake servo?, the originals and kits to repair them seem more and more difficult to find.

The answer is Yes !

I did one for a customer about 18 months ago and he is pleased with its performance. It is a British Lockheed, slightly shorter, small amount of pipe alteration, nothing serious, from memory, the bracket at the front end fitted straight on and a simple support bracket was made for the tail end. It is a much simpler unit than the oversized thing that is originally fitted.

The important bit......it is the servo fitted to certain models of Ferret scout cars. As it is probably a commercial item, seals would be available from brake specialists.

Richard

All the adverts that are on Milweb automatically get put in too Classic Military Vehicles so I presume it's the same story.

I find whenever I have put adverts on Milweb, that there has been a near zero response, apart from the scammers who will buy it without seeing with a bankers cheque. As soon as the Classic Military Vehicle mag comes out, the phone starts ringing...:?

Richard

If any of you want to read a transcript of the VCR Commitee meeting, where they are discussing the issues that concern us, go to this web page

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmscviol.htm

and then click on "7th Sitting", this will give you the whole picture. When you get to the bottom, click on "continue" to bring up next page. It goes on a bit, but makes interesting reading.

It appears they have been shaken by the response to this issue.

Richard

I've just started restoring a WW2 Royal Enfield flying flea, and after carefully removing several layers of paint i have come across the original brown (bit darker than a cup of tea with a smooth semi gloss finish).

Russell,

Some years ago while at the Stourpaine steam rally with my BSA WM20, a old gentleman asked if I was interested in a pair of WD pannier frames. He brought them along the next day and they were in the brown colour. It seems he bought an ex-WD Royal Enfield in 1946, took the frames off and hung them in his shed. I unfortunately sold them some years back and did not think to get the colour checked out. I am older and wiser now, of course.

So it appears that Enfields were that colour.