landrover nick

This any help ,later on the chassis numbers to contract numbers are all over the place but with your truck so early they should not be that far out of sink ? Rob van Meel allocation of b vehicle WD numbers gives the following info .

contract number 294/t/7729 this was the second contract for MWs 1018 MWD GS trucks Z3927393-Z3928411

480 truck 15cwt A/TK Z3962912-Z3927392

a note on the ledger shows the contract started at chassis number MW 1001 RUNNING TOTAL 1498

contract number 294/t/8102 this was the third contract for MWs 5084 units mixed contract with mwd/mwc /mwt

this contract has sixteen line entry's MWD 2499 units Z4115257-Z417756 starts at MW 1001

MWD 1999 units Z4118607-Z4120606 starts at MW 1001

with your chassis number being 2947 (chassis numbers start at 1001) your truck would be the 1946 made is your chassis number pre fixed MWD for a general service truck ,if so it has to fall into contract 294/t/8102 or possibly 294/t/7729 until we find some dates that the contracts were issued

Nick

Hi Luke

as promised photo number one shows the junction box at the drivers side radiator bracket showing the colours connected in it

photo two and three show the head lamp ,which is a modern pre -focus type (sorry no idea were they came from ) and the pre- focus bulb which came with them you will find them on e-bay i would think .

The brake lamp switch on my truck is the factory fitted one which screws into a tee connected into the hydraulic system going forward from the master cylinder try either Chris Morter or Norman Aish for the parts

any luck with the radio earth s i asked about on your truck

Nick

Hi Luke

sorry i have only just caught on that you don't have a copy of the MW wiring loom you should have asked before

drawing is from Bedford MW drivers hand book dated January 1945 i think this a generic MW wiring diagram as it shows the dip switch turning out one head lamp when on dip ,but most late war time photos show only one head lamp fitted

a mauve and a black wire are part of the brake light circuit

Nick

Hi Luke

i will post you a photo of the junction box with the lid off and check up on the head lamp bulbs at the week end but looking at the drawing i sent to Auto Sparks for the loom for the front grill the following wires come out of the junction box going to the front

green /red tracer = right indicator

white = both front side lights

green/white tracer= left indicator

blue/red tracer = head lamp dip beam (wire to each lamp)

blue/white tracer = head lamp main beam (wire to each lamp)

Nick

Hi Luke

nice to see the photos of the truck what are your plans for the truck are you going to restore it to full MWR specification i see from some of your other face book photos it still has some of the features unique to the MWR ,the extra plank holding the hood frame ,the holes in left side of the body would have been the mounting for the rear dynamo control box ,hand throttle etc . Do you know what year it was built ,have you any of the original contract plates (there would be one on top of the dash panel and one on the body near those mounting holes i mentioned above )could you help with the following when you striped the truck down did you find any big braided earth strips connecting the various body components

I am currently researching the positions of the earth bonds on the MWR these were fitted to prevent radio interference the drivers hand book lists twenty three ,some are fairly obvious but most are difficult to work out any photos you took during the strip down may help though

Nick

Hi Luke

dip switch is located on the engine bulkhead to the right of the instrument panel it would seam that the dip switch was only factory fitted on the early trucks with the two head lamps on my truck the hole had been blanked off but when i removed all the rubbish fitted by the previous owner i found that the Lucas dip switch fitted the hole in the dash exactly with all the screw holes lining up ( i used the floor mounted dip switch for an early series two land rover )a quick look in an early MW parts book gives a Lucas part number 360007 googleing the number gives Lucas number 31284 which looks correct

photo 1 shows holes covered up and wrong dip switch fitted by previous owner the two pop rivets are filling the mounting screw holes for the dip switch

photo 2 shows newly fitted dash panel with dip switch to side just under the hand throttle to the right of ammeter/oil pressure gauge

hope this helps is that your truck i have seen on facebook

Nick

Hi Mark

The MWR is run with the standard plug gaps as per the drivers manual ,mileage up to the end of last year was 3,500 miles in two years with no major problems just an addition of a lead additive /fuel preserver every third or fourth fill up and over the winter layup as the unleaded fuel goes off very quickly .

regards

Nick

Nick,

 

what at colour are your headlight cables on your autospark loom please?

 

also if you opted for indicators, what colour are these on the loom? Green with red tracers?

 

i can't make heads or tails of the red additional cable left over for the instrument panel that isn't on the diagram.

 

and the blue red, blue white cables including the green white where there is only one 17 that runs from the oil thermostat to the dial?

 

any info much appreciated.

 

thanks luke

Hi Luke

Hope the following answers your question

1) head lamp cable colours

dip beam = blue with red tracer

main beam = blue with white tracer

2) indicator colours

right indicator = green with red tracer

left indicator = green with white tracer (all the above would be the standard post war colours for most vehicles .)

3) red cable on instrument panel ,the only red cable i can find goes from terminal P on the dynamo control box to terminal D+ on the ignition switch.

4) green /white wire oil thermostat (is this the pressure switch ) to the dial (is this to the oil pressure warning light ).

looking at your post i think that all the cables you are having problems with relate to the head lamps and indicators.

if you are using one of the original wiring diagrams , have you looked at the following ,

the early wiring diagrams i have found show that when the dip switch is pressed it switches off the right head lamp ,the later drawing shows only one head lamp fitted at the left side

to work with a modern wiring loom fitted with indicators and dipping head lamps you need to change the front and rear round junction boxes from the original four (front ) two (rear )terminal type to the larger six terminal ones (the front one should go on the outside of the right radiator support bracket ,and the rear one is fitted to outer face of the last chassis cross-member i have also seen depending on what model/date your truck a second front junction box on the left radiator support bracket this i think was used when the dip switch turned out one head lamp on the left ?), in your wiring loom kit from Auto Sparks there should also be an additional loom which goes from the six pole junction box to the dip switch with three wires fitted in it consisting of blue , blue with white tracer and blue with red tracer this is used to switch the head lamps from dip to main beam using the dip switch.

When i bought my truck it came with a new loom which the previous owner had manufactured by a company which made wiring looms for classic cars but the loom for the front grill and the dip switch loom had been made up and fitted using modern wires and looked wrong for the age of the vehicle Auto sparks were very helpful in making up the correct replacement looms with the correct colours and the Bedford woven outer cover i have found my original drawings for both of these looms which i can post on here if you need a more help .

hope this answers your questions if not let me know and i can look again

Nicky

Hi Luke just to say i have seen your post i will do some detective work on my truck and with the books i have and try and get you an answer to your questions

Nick

part sixteen

The work on the cab doors and sill panels is coming along nicely the new ash quarter panels between the cab floor ,bulkhead and wing have been made and fitted ,

The cab sill /door frame have been welded up and trial fitted .

The door guide brackets i bought off e-bay earlier this year have been repaired i had to make new mounting plates for the door guide rubbers and weld them on to the plates as the original tapped holes were past saving .

The new door frames are nearly finished ,i want to hang the new frames on the door hinges and rear door guide brackets before fitting the door skins and make sure the bottom of the drivers door clears the lid of the chore horse box

Trial fitting the original correct door shows that everything is going ok

Jordan the only manuals i have are the drivers hand book and workshop manuals both of these give very little information on the wireless fittings

Nicky

Yes it looks as though next years events calendar is going to be lot smaller than 2015 as well as the end of the Elvington show we have also lost the Raucby war time weekend and the DLI show which were both on the same August bank holiday weekend

Nick

Hi Dave

feed wire is white

earth wire is red with a green tracer

taken from march 1945 workshop manual for an MWR which also has drawings for the OX and OY all have the same colour wires for the side lights this was probably the standard wire colour for all war time Bedfords .

cannot help with wire size though i ordered my front panel wiring loom from Auto sparks if that's any help .

Nick

i stand corrected

I have seen this photo several times on the internet i think the vehicle in the foreground with the spare wheel mounted on the tail board is MWR but the photo has either been reversed when printed or it is some other type of 15 cwt truck as the spare wheel is on the wrong side and the chore horse box is missing

is there anything on the QL which is the wrong way round

Nick

part fifteen

yes it is going to fit ! after a trip into Lincolnshire today to collect my latest missing part for the truck i now have the complete switch board charging no 5 (after a two year search) it is also the correct British manufactured one as there is also a Canadian version of this panel which is mounted slightly differently

as can see from the photos this panel is used to connect the charging system on the truck using the gearbox pto and under floor dynamo to the wireless battery's, the wireless battery's to the wireless set or the chore horse generating set to the wireless battery's ,there is also a connection marked internal light but this is not used on the MWR as the rear interior light over the wireless table is wired through a control switch mounted under the wireless table and fed off the vehicle battery this panel is another of this years projects

this is the only photo of the panel i have, i know that it is fitted with the same rheostat switch as the ones on the truck dash board and uses the same two pin plug as the one on the cab dash (any better photos would be very welcome ) its is just visible under the table between the two seat backs .

another recent find are two wooden battery box cases these sit in the angle iron frame at either side of the wireless

table and are clamped in place by a top angle iron frame and two long wing bolts

i need to do some modification work to the box i made last year for the ammeter for the rear charging circuit as this box is too large (any original photos of this would be welcome and also a part number for the correct ammeter ) it is stopping the charging panel from fitting into its correct mounting.

hopefully i will spend tomorrow in the workshop working on the fame for the new cab doors .

Nicky

Hi Jordan

yes i saw your post regarding the chore horse box on maple leaf up i was going to replay on there but i find it easier to post photos on here .

chore horse box on the Bedford mwr it replaces the complete drivers side step i have to climb on the box to get in the cab the box is mounted to the chassis brackets which would have carried the steps ,the lid for the box fits in grove formed in the bottom part of the box and hinges down until closed using an hasp and stapple to keep the lid of the box closed ,if the lid is raised through ninety degrees it can be lifted off ,looking at your photos the lid on your box looks to be different , your charging set looks different to photos i have of chore horse generators

photos show the unrestored box when purchased

bracket for charging board

The one i have i think is correct (i am going to collect a charging panel at the weekend so will let you know if it will not fit )there seams to be two versions in the mwr one which has no weather cover or as the one i have which is fitted with the steel weather cover

is the body on your truck a GS type or a gin palace stile of body

Nick

Hi Andy

that will be no problem but i need to get the first ones right

Nick

part fourteen

The work on the cab doors continues with the stripping of the two original doors and removal of door skin on the correct door ,taking the door skins off the two original doors revealed the extent of the work that was going to be needed to make them correct

both door frames show signs of wet rot ,dry rot and wood worm (hopefully dead through old age )one of the frames has been totally dismantled to make a set of patterns and sent to my wood supplier to have new parts made in Ash .

the photo above shows the correct timber frame on the pattern door and the steel strip at the bottom of the door used to crimp the door skin on at the bottom

steel door skin as removed from pattern door this has now been sent to have an auto cad drawing made and some new door skins made

Nicky

Hi this is an interesting question my own 1942 build MWR has the grill to the front of the panel, looking in the parts book the number for the grill (Bedford call it the stone guard ) stays the same throughout the MW production but several of the part numbers relating to the grill mounting all change at chassis number 21810 ,the same parts book shows windscreen wipers first fitted at chassis number 26308 so it would appear that the change happened near to the replacement of the aero screens with the fully enclosed cab the change from open to closed cab was some time in 1941

Nick

glad to see its found a good home hope you managed to recover all the rear body parts which came off when it was dragged out of the shed

Nick

part thirteen

Had a good day in the workshop on the cab sills /door frame

photos one-three show the poorly fitting doors and the cab sill /door frame which is made up of several parts ( it should a one piece welded frame ) the pen under the door shows just how big the gap is

photo four shows the correct door fitted to the truck note how the lip of the door covers the door frame i need someone to make a couple of door skins from this pattern (any recommendations please )

photo five and six show the work on the cab sills

photo seven - nine show the wood corner piece which sits between the cab and the rear of the front wing i don't think that at 1" wide this piece is thick enough ,i think it should fill all the space in photo nine am i correct

Nicky

The mention of the roof rack remained me to post this photo i found

the roof rack is very similar to the one on the Bedford it has been very useful this year and makes a good viewing platform for air displays and arena battles etc

Nick

Maurice / Guy 66

i think the dynamo will be 12 v it supply's power through a control box into the no 5 switch panel

which can also be supplied by the chore horse generator which is housed in the box which replaces the drivers cab step the power is then either used to charge the battery's for the wireless set or supply the set directly i have very little information on the dynamo the Bedford parts book has a part number of 7064807 and a description of Lucas type MO14X dynamo ,the only part of the set up i have is the bracket to mount the dynamo to the chassis if the machined section to hold the body of the dynamo is a true radius the diameter for the dynamo will be 6" ,Guy is the set up on the Morris the same ?

Thanks for the photos of the truck the last two show just how full the boat was on the return trip

Nicky

part twelve well its been a busily year with the truck having attended over twelve events this year and covering nearly 1700 miles the longest trip would have been to Guernsey and the shortest five miles up the road to local steam rally .Touch wood there has only been the one brake down with the ignition coil packing up just as we set off on the trip to Guernsey am i glad i bought the spare for the previous years trip to Normandy . The truck is now back in its winter quarters with the new canvas safely away for the winter the rough sea crossing to Guernsey as deck freight had turned the brass gauze in some of the windows bright green .

I have long list of jobs i want to try and sort this winter the main ones are

1) The cab doors are both to be remade as the sealing lip around the outside of the doors is missing .

2) The cab sills /door frame is to be remade the ones currently fitted are not in one piece or strong enough

3) Find and refit the MWR pto linkage ,prop shaft and dynamo

i need to find the following parts

thanks to Simon Thompson for supplying the photos

would these parts have been used on any other truck

MWR dynamo

prop shaft

MWR gear box pto and linkage

more soon

Nicky

one day i am going to find the training film for the Bedford MWR

Nicky