Panzer nut

My friends L4 is a 1943 Mk3 Bren. With the Mk3 scored out and restamped L4, the back sight also has 7.62mm stamped on it.

Ta

Jon

She is looking a bit shabby compared to when I last saw her mored up at the Warship preservation trust.

Short sightedness has left her the property of the dock authority, the council allowed her old moorings to be developed into flats. She was given a 6 month temporary mooring something like 500 yards away, but to move the collection would have cost something like £250,000 and another £250,000 6 months later.:mad:

It consisted of a U boat (Now cut up and on show in a purpose built museum at Albert docks, Liverpool), HMS Plymouth, HMS Onyx (Only deisel powered sub to go to Falklands), A lighthouse ship (Now in Albert Dock), HMS Bronington (HRH Charles first command, wooden deck rotting away, shown in last picture) and teh last remaining LST to take part in the D-Day landings.

Aparently Albert Docks would not allow Big ships in to be mored overwise I think she would have gone there.

Onyx has now gone north, I think the LST is to be scraped.:mad:

Its a shame to loose these ships but with the way of the economy is going at the moment I do ot think we will see them again soon :embarrassed:

Jon

Happy BDAY Mark

Jon

Amazing! :shocked::nut:

But then again what about the stories over here where they have joined the Police force and certain no go areas are now safe because of them. I wish more people were just like them.

Jon

A friend of mine did his H test in a Samson on roads, with the instructer in the commanders hatch, he was gone ten minutes and when he came back the instructer was grinning from ear to ear, I beleive the emergency stop was a corker, nose dipped, arse in air moment.

I used to go out with him as the commander and the amount of people that followed so close that I had to wave them away from the back of the vehicle was unbeleivable. Even had a motorcyle follow us at a about 1m away, could only just see his helmet.

Ta

Jon

LOL

Stomer, Sabre, Trampoline

Which do you want to play on first kids

Jon:nut:

Hey John

I love your Valentine DD, you let me crawl all over it for my web site one year.

I better check i have it labeled correctly...lol...don't want to upset you :cool2:

Its just like your tank, different engine different variant, still it is basically a ordinary valentine if you take the bits off, if you know what I mean.

ta

Jon

Ps. I now have a better camera and have you finished the 438 yet?

When I rang mr Dugan I was polite and even explained to him politely whyit was a IHC,what he said next made me responded to him in the same manner. It was a valid question and not a wind up.

He may have been having a bad day but it still one of those things I remember because I even double checked my pics to be sure my self.

This is the vehicle I was referring to.

Then again I had a man at a museum walk though the middle of our roped off display kicking over two radios and asked what he think hes doing, Said its my museum and my stuff I do what the hell I like, I pointed out it was not his stuff he kicked over and went and reported him to the museum staff who informed me it was the curator.

Ta

Jon

Hi

Is this the one from Duxford ar a Second one??

ta

Jon

I once contacted the curator of the now defunct Beverly collection in regardes to the M5 based half track they had on display asking if it was origionaly a M14 or a M17 variant. He replied that it was a M3 Halftrack.

I replied that it was not, that it was defently a IHC due to the mud guards and rear body and asked again what variant it was.

He replied angrily that it was defently a M3 Halftrack and that he should know because he drove them in the Army.

I replied that he should look up what he has in the museum as it is a IHC m5 based Halftrack, and put the phone down.:mad:

Am I expecting too much from people to know what they have on display or is it just me being too finniky?

Jon

At nearly all shows now as a result of games such as Call of Duty the Bren is constantly being mistaken for a 'Type 99' by the kids, as featured in a recently Call of Duty game. Quite satisfying correcting them :-D

YUP! ....lol

When we get kids near the display we now say "Before you ask , NO its not a type 88, No its not a Sten, No its not a G3, non of these weapons are in Call of Duty or MOH"

LOL

Contrary to popular opinion, at least one US unit used IHC halftracks in action in Europe. There was a thread on G503 with pictures, I've had a quick search but can't find it.

 

Nobody knows it all......

Every thing I have read says that the M5 was only used by US forces for training in the states and none were used in action, that that whole production line was for lend lease, so I would be interersted in reading this article or any other that is around just to put me right.

Ta

Jon

A friend of mine owned a Sabre and one night whilst we were there he was being shown a rifle his cousin had brought round, some local person had spied the gun through the window and called 999.

The armed response turned up and recconoitered the grounds and upon seeing the Sabre pronounced "FK me! I think we need bigger guns!!!!!"

Jon

Some times the coin can be flipped by the public especially me...(Evil SMirk):nut:

When owners are trying to fool the public:

Asked by me: "Why is your M5 in US markings?:angel:"

If the owner is upfront we end up having a nice conversation, if the owner blaggs me normally the conversation ends up with me replying loudly "No, but if I did own one it will be in the correct markings"

Upon hearing a US marked M201 jeep owner claim his jeep was used by the Americans during WW2 to another MOP, I asked quicky "I thought your M201 was a post war french made jeep, so shouldn't it realy be in French Post war Markings?:angel:"

The other MOP waited for the answer as I continued on my way.

Sorry if you were one of these owners I was lied to by several owners when I was younger and greener in these matters

Jon :nut:

Using the example above, a educated guess based on other sequencing would be:

Smock Mans (1968 Pattern)

(Ghurka)

Size G1 8405-99-122-6079

Size G2 8405-99-122-6080

Size G3 8405-99-122-6081

Size G4 8405-99-122-6082

Size G5 8405-99-122-6083

Size G6 8405-99-122-6084

Size G7 8405-99-122-6085

Size G8 8405-99-122-6086

Size G9 8405-99-122-6087

Size Special 8405-99-122-6088

Trousers, Men's (68 Pattern)

(Ghurka)

Size G1 8405-99-122-6089

Size G2 8405-99-122-6090

Size G3 8405-99-122-6091

Size G4 8405-99-122-6092

Size G5 8405-99-122-6093

Size G6 8405-99-122-6094

Size G7 8405-99-122-6095

Size G8 8405-99-122-6096

Size G9 8405-99-122-6097

Size Special 8405-99-122-6098

The Above is assuming there is no Size G0

Ta

Jon

Label from Gurkha specific 1968 Pattern:

 

 

 

Does that read 8405-99-122-6086?

ta

Jon

Hey Roger :cool2:

No, you are quite rigt to throw a spanner in the works, my example was a Size 2 shirt and I missed one didget out when I typed it and threw myself into a major c. up...lol :nut:

Thanks for pointing that out. I have now corrected it. Paul was telling me it was you that managed to gat hold of a Size 4?

Ta

Jon

Hey andy thats because they are not lightweights they are tropicals.

Jon

If its realy early 1970's you can wear gaiters, blanco'd black

Ta

Jon

Lol I think I am hijacking this thread.

I will cover Lightweights and Itchy shirts here..lol

Not sure if they are correct but where it comes to sizing the lightweights, I have been informed there are 17 sizes????

so taking that into acount and i'm Guessing special sizing still applies

Trousers, Overall, Green

8405-99-122-5591 (Size 1) to 122-5607 (Size 17) Special size 122-5608???

Trousers, Men's, Lightweights

8405-99-135-6485 (Size 1) to 135-6502 (Size 17) Special Size 122-6503???

More complicated are the 80's variants, I'll start with the smallest size I have so far seen, there may be smaller.

Size 72/68/84 8405-99-977-0502 (977-0503 to 977-0506 Unknown sizes?)

Size 75/76/92 8405-99-977-0507

Size 75/80/96 8405-99-977-0508 (977-0509 to 977-0511 Unknown sizes?)

Size 80/80/96 8405-99-977-0512

Size 80/84/100 8405-99-977-0513

Size 80/88/104 8405-99-977-0514

Size 80/92/108 8405-99-977-0515

Size 80/96/112 8405-99-977-0516

Size 85/80/96 8405-99-977-0517

Size 85/84/100 8405-99-977-0518

Size 85/88/104 8405-99-977-0519

Size 85/92/108 8405-99-977-0520

Size 85/96/112 8405-99-977-0521

Size 85/100/116 8405-99-977-0522

Size 85/104/120 8405-99-977-0523

Any Bigger sizes?

I need to find a sizing list to complete this set of NSN's, If you have sizes not mention please post them, even if you do not have the NSN.

Itchy Shirts or Hairy Mairy I beleive are only 5 sizes

Shirt, Man's, Combat

Size 0 8405-99-132-1807

Size 1 8405-99-132-1808

Size 2 8405-99-132-1809

Size 3 8405-99-132-1810

Size 4 8405-99-132-1811

Can any one confirm the above?

Ta

Jon

Hi

If you are doing early 1970's you proberly want the "Trousers, Men's, Overalls", these are identical to lightweights except that they have a button up front and the pocket flaps have rounded corners. The next evolution are the "Trousers, Men's, Lightweight" label will say Size 1 etc. These are the most common ones with the map pocket on the left leg and squared off pocket flaps. If the label says Nato sizing in them they are the 80's variant, the difference as far as I can tell is that the pocket stitching on the hip is 1" furthur towards the hips but that may be just a production thing. The last type which were introduced proberly between 1995 and 2000 have no map pocket, so do not buy these.

Crap hats, I have numerous books with reference pictures in, showing troops wearing them in the field. perhaps by the late 1970's early 1980's troops prefered not to wear them.

Webbing proberly wants to be 1958 WE Mk 1 for the early 1970's. Main visual difference will be lack of the two little straps on the yolk where the large pack straps pass through plus the water bottle is green and the pouch has a twist fitting instead of a strap to keep it closed. See the webbing book that is on the market.

Jumper should also more that likely be the 68 pattern jumper that does not have any epaulets.

hope that helps

Jon

I think the NSNs above are correct if any one has a different one, please let me know. It seems to go Smock then trousers.

Now I am struggling with 85 pattern as I am unsure as to the sizes, does any one have the size tables as I have two different systems to play with. Both smock and trousers are sizes are needed and I suspect tropicals are a differnt breed, so can you guys post the nsns and sizes of as much tropical stuff you have.

Thanks

Jon

Smock, Combat (1960 Pattern)

8415-99-973-

Size 1 3931

Size 2 3932

Size 3 3933

Size 4 3934

Size 5 3935

Size 6 3936

Size 7 3937

Size 8 3938

Size 9 3939

Special Measure 3940

Trousers, Men’s, Combat (1960 Pattern)

8415-99-973-

Size 1 3941

Size 2 3942

Size 3 3943

Size 4 3944

Size 5 3945

Size 6 3946

Size 7 3947

Size 8 3948

Size 9 3949

Special Measure 3950

Smock, Combat (1960 Pattern) {DPM}

8415-99-127-

Size 1 7329

Size 2 7330

Size 3 7331

Size 4 7332

Size 5 7333

Size 6 7334

Size 7 7335

Size 8 7336

Size 9 7337

Special Measure 7338

Trousers, Men’s, Combat (1960 Pattern) {DPM}

8415-99-973-

Size 1 7339

Size 2 7340

Size 3 7341

Size 4 7342

Size 5 7343

Size 6 7344

Size 7 7345

Size 8 7346

Size 9 7347

Special Measure 7348

Smock, Combat (1968 Pattern),

Smock, Combat

8405-99-132-

Size 1 6079

Size 2 6080

Size 3 6081

Size 4 6082

Size 5 6083

Size 6 6084

Size 7 6085

Size 8 6086

Size 9 6087

Special Measure 6088

8415-99-132-

Size 1 2025

Size 2 2026

Size 3 2027

Size 4 2028

Size 5 2029

Size 6 2030

Size 7 2031

Size 8 2032

Size 9 2033

Special Measure 2034

8405-99-132-

Size 1 1821

Size 2 1822

Size 3 1823

Size 4 1824

Size 5 1825

Size 6 1826

Size 7 1827

Size 8 1828

Size 9 1829

Special Measure 1830

8415-99-132-

Size 1 1821

Size 2 1822

Size 3 1823

Size 4 1824

Size 5 1825

Size 6 1826

Size 7 1827

Size 8 1828

Size 9 1829

Special Measure 1830

Trousers, Men’s, Combat (1968 Pattern)

Trousers, Men’s Combat

8405-99-132-

Size 1 6089

Size 2 6090

Size 3 6091

Size 4 6092

Size 5 6093

Size 6 6094

Size 7 6095

Size 8 6096

Size 9 6097

Special Measure 6098

8405-99-132-

Size 1 2035

Size 2 2036

Size 3 2039

Size 4 2040

Size 5 2041

Size 6 2042

Size 7 2043

Size 8 2044

Size 9 2045

Special Measure 2046

8405-99-132-

Size 1 1831

Size 2 1832

Size 3 1833

Size 4 1834

Size 5 1835

Size 6 1836

Size 7 1837

Size 8 1838

Size 9 1839

Special Measure 1840

8415-99-132-

Size 1 1831

Size 2 1832

Size 3 1833

Size 4 1834

Size 5 1835

Size 6 1836

Size 7 1837

Size 8 1838

Size 9 1839

Special Measure 1840

Its not what the label says, it what it does not say the question is is what i know as 85 pattern realy 84 pattern?