Adrian Barrell

Well ok, you would have to inspect the inside of the tank to know that... am I forgiven?:-D I'm surprised anyone bothered to go to those lengths.

The first three are all Vc, someones cut the end off the 17 pr in the first one. Next is a standard M4A4 then a IC(hybrid) and lastly an M4.

They're not M4A6s, they are all M4A4s. The special exhaust thing is the standard M4A4 air deflector in the stowed position to allow access to the engine doors. All but the very early M4A4s had it. The book you mention is full of errors and while an excellent collection of images, the captions cannot be relied upon. The tank on pg 122 is an M4A4, the radiator cover is nothing like the domed cover on an M4A6 and the decks appear to have a piece of board laid across them.

I left M4A6 out as the lack of survivors and combat use made identifying one unlikely. Contrary to a recent Sherman book, the British army did not receive any, the pictures all show M4A4s. With only 75 built, it's not too surprising none survive but still a great shame.

That picture's in Hunnicutt. Note the small hatches, just like Kens recent import into the UK, most DTA M4 production was on large hatches.

The last Fireflies were probably on rebuilt vehicles from the USA. They would have had applique armour, often all round, gun crutches on the glacis, though removed for the C conversion and would have T numbers in the 2xxxxx range, vehicles delivered when new and converted first being in the 14xxxx and 15xxxx ranges. These would mainly have been early M4A4s.

Dave, I suspect that given the number of changes in production , there was never a sustained period of building identical tanks! As to Trimley, I'll have to check as to whether it was St Martin or St Mary, probably both as a regiment of tanks is quite a line! They weren't stored as such, merely preparing to load on the LSTs at Felixstowe. Mainly Cromwells with Sherman Fireflies and Stuarts.

There is a lot more detail to go into but it all sounds a bit anal...:sweat: The preceding notes should allow an id in most cases.

Occasionally, you find complete abberations such as this. An ex-BARV hull, the V shaped weld on the glacis showing where the superstructure has been cut off, with a 76mm turret and gun fitted and a 17 pr muzzle brake stuck on the end! BARVs were built on M4A2 hulls and this shows that not all M4A2s had the simple fabricated glacis features.

There are a host of differences to the norm, some as a result of post war mods. Here is a good example. At first sight, an M4A4. With that bogie spacing, there is no doubt but a close look at the engine decks shows no radiator cover of the multibank but an intake frame of a radial. This is an M4A4(T). A French rebuild of an M4A4 fitted with a radial engine, the (T) standing for transformee.

The last of the more common models is the M4A4. The most distinctive id point is of course the wider bogie spacing needed because of the longer hull. The rear plate is similar to the M4A2 but with a shorter overhang and two rear doors similar to M4 and M4A1 and the decks are distinctive having the cast cover over the radiator. All M4A4s were supplied with the 3 piece differential housing though this can have been changed in 60+ years!

The presence of the block in this view confirms the tank as an M4A3. This one is a wet stowage hull so no applique armour, having the steeper, one piece glacis plate using larger hatches without the hatch hoods but still a 75mm.

Less likely to be found in Europe but common in the US is the M4A3. Similar to M4A2 but with wider deck grills and a different lower hull. The grill doors also often have support blocks welded on to the hull and these can often be seen from the side. The rh block is visible here between the shovel and mattock.

Here's a view from the turret showing the decks. This has a feature that serves to confuse. The domed cover near the tail light on the right is a grouser box cover, the one on the other side is missing. M4A2 should have a flat plate covering the hole as being diesel, it was not necessary to vent the fuel tank compartment. All other models with the exception of late M4A3 had the domed covers and the lack of them can be used as a guide to identifying an M4A2.

As with most Shermans, a view from the rear gives the best clue. M4A2 had the twin GM diesels with a distinctive exhaust outlet in the lower rear plate. The upper rear plate also has a lower bottom edge than other models. If you can see the engine decks, then the narrow grill doors are specific to this model, they do not span the full width of the decks and the upstand behind the turret has a series of rebates for the mounting bolts that are often visible.

What about this one. From the front, the most distinctive thing is the drivers hatch hoods and the antenna mount. They are a very angular fabricated design that was a feature of some M4A2s though not all.

This one is less easy as you cannot see the rear. However, it has a 105mm gun which was only fitted to M4 and M4A3. It is just possible to make out the previously described air intake behind the turret making it an M4(105).

How about this one. Well, the undercut says M4 and the large hatches confirm a composite hull, in this case a Firefly or Sherman IC. It is just possible to see the curve to the cast front hull.

So, what's this one? Well, it's a welded hull and that undercut to the rear plate is a dead giveaway as it only features in radial engined hulls. It's not an M4A1 so must be an M4. The other clue is the engine decks. Just behind the turret is a cast air intake cover with a frame surround that runs the full width of the decks, another radial engine feature.

If your subject vehicle has a welded hull, the id becomes harder! All other models were built on a welded hull with the exception of the late Chrysler built M4 which had a cast front section mated to a welded rear. Very early production had small hatches but that is fairly rare and it's more normal to find them with large hatches. The join between the cast front and plate rear is a diagonal weld which is quite distinctive.

The M4A1(76) was one of the the 'ultimate series' of tanks which incorporated various improvements such as wet stowage for the ammunition and a steeper hull front with larger hatches. Later production was fitted with HVSS and wider tracks. All M4A1s were fitted with the R975 nine cylinder radial engine.

Canadian built Grizzly, normally fitted with the CDP track that needs the small toothed sprockets. Grizzlies all used a General Steel hull with the G in a shield and though this is not confined to Grizzly it is a useful clue.

M4A1 came in a variety of standards. The original M4A1 (75). Short 75mm gun in original turret and narrow tracks.

As suggested, I thought I would post up a short guide to identifying various Shermans. I've put a bit of thought into this and it's quite a daunting subject! With 47,000 gun tanks built in 19 distinctly different types by 11 different manufacturers, I decided against a great list of differences and thought of what will hopefully be a simpler way. Using pictures already posted here, with a few new ones thrown in for clarity, I'll point out the features that help to provide an id. First thing to look for is the hull. Is it cast or welded? If cast, it is an M4A1. It must be fully cast, front and rear but if so, the id is not in doubt. This one being an M4A1 (76). It has the larger turret with the longer 76mm gun but still on narrow tracks with early suspension.

Jack, M4A1(76) HVSS did make it to Europe by the end of WW2 but as far as can be ascertained, none were issued to units. As to Sherman models, 6 basic types, 4 armament options, 3 turret types, 3 suspension set ups, a host of variations in between..... Nothing to it!