Rangie

On 5/29/2023 at 11:21 PM, Jerryjeeprichard said:

Clever design really. Centre of gravity is perfect, so easy to manoeuvre around. 

Fascinating! I see the "bogey"/axle for want of a better term is located by the leaf springs and has a friction damper in each corner, but are there any other "stays" or pivot arms to keep things central? It's a cunning design.

I can see that its effectively a square-surrounded/centerless beam axle but its still a little brain-bender 🤣

Alec.

Great answers there folks, very much appreciated, thanks ☺️

There is the other rabbit hole whereby equipment would be supplied in "X", often DBG gloss from the 50s-on and then externally painted in whatever the unit demanded (IRR/Matt/Olive/Khaki/Camo), but that's a different hair-pulling exercise...

Alec.

The later British Olive Drab, does anyone have a reference to a suitable product or paint code, perhaps a BS381 number?

Also, is there reference to when they went away from the Olive Drab to DBG? 1951 seems to ring a bell 🤔

I absolutely love that M72! 😍

Alec

It really is one of the strangest of suspension/chassis layouts i've seen! 

But it does look to keep the CoG nice and low without an axle beam there 👍

Alec.

Looking for a later Screw-Top 4-Gallon "Flimsy" Petrol Can to accompany my collection of No.1 Burners and associated kit.

It doesn't have to be in perfect condition as its just for display purposes. Rust would be lightly treated and it would get a waft of satin lacquer to protect/preserve it if necessary.

PM if you can help, thanks.

Alec.

Kinematic Redundancy is the phrase of the week! 😁

Alec.

12 minutes ago, andy brown said:

you will have be content with the fact that until that happens  am right...

Well no Andy, you are neither right nor wrong. Until this is proved or disproved they are Schrodinger's Tanks.... 

If Paul has GPR survey data of the whole site, including the aprons, and the survey shows no large infill/large metal hits but just "generic" (sorry to use that term) archeological hits beneath them, it will take a lot of convincing now sadly.

Prove them wrong with empirical evidence, I would love to see hundreds of buried tanks!

Paul, has there been any boreholes dug/sampled? Any rust/iron-rich runoff/oil/ground contamination to be found?

Alec.

On 12/27/2022 at 3:21 PM, 7VHU said:

The 88”.........about 4” wider

You sure about that.....?

Alec

Well well, it needs a lot of love but there are lots of useful parts at the very least. 😁

Alec.

I remember this discussion first time around, all useful info.

I still haven't forked out for a GPMP deac or replica for the Shorland as the prices have just kept going up 😨

Alec.

Usually stuck on partially decomposed rubber seal.

If you are certain that the pane is unlocked (the front one can slide back and forth), stand outside and sandwich the pane in your hands and gently but firmly try to jar it free. You can also use a razor blade/stanley blade and carefully go around the flat of the pane around the edge.

When you get it free, use the razor blade to scrape any hard/fossilised rubber off of the window pane to help stop it "grabbing" again. A spray with silicone or PTFE lube often helps stop this happening as well.

Good luck,

Alec.

Message sent! 😁

Alec.

Cute!

At 1:35, how large/long will the model of the workshop lorry end up being?

Alec.

Hmm, something electric-scooter-ey may be an option but they tend to be about a 10" rim rather than 11".

I'll keep an eye out though. I was in the same boat with a compressor trolley but managed to very very gently remove the tyre and fit a fresh tube inside it.

Alec.

With Lake and Elliott jacks, putting the handle all the way down lowers the jack. When you get a bit of pressure you can feel the stop/detent near the bottom of the stroke, until then it feels the same all the way down.

Try pumping about two-thirds of the stroke from the top. If there's oil in the jack it should build pressure and move 🤞 If not, some 15 weight Jack Oil would do for topping it up 🙂

Once out a bit you can give the top of the ram a little heat and see if it encourages the screw-top adjustment to move.

Good luck,

Alec.

Glad they are being honest and upfront about it.

Hopefully they can regroup, recoup and get ready for 2024 instead.

Alec.

Any progress on this?

Alec.

Great to see you back at this interesting project! 😁

Alec.

The engine has the look of a Lister Junior or one of its larger brothers perhaps, running a lighting/power plant.

The drill press has the look of a Denbigh about it, although many manufacturers produced similar looking tools at the time.

The Lathe i'm unsure but it looks plain bearing and flat belt, either motor driven or possibly flat belt from the alternator pulley. It too could be Denbigh but there were many similar machines at the time.

Hopefully someone will produce a CES for the workshop truck, that will provide good pointers.

Alec.

For goodness sake, someone go save that chassis! 😁🤞

Alec.

Looking for an oil filler cap for my Meadows 4DJ420. I haven't asked for a few years so I thought i'd try again....

May be the same as other Meadows Engines? Please see photo of filler neck.
Any condition considered, happy to rebuild/recreate something. Fed up with the rag and plastic bag I have to replace every couple of years 😒

Cheers,
Alec.

UPDATE 15/09/2022

Hello Folks, Well it's been a few years again so I thought I would have a hunt around and ask if anyone had spare copies of the following....

I'm only too happy to scan and return, or purchase if you were up for that. I'll make them available for folk when I have copies 😁 (I'm in the middle of scanning what I currently have in).

Additional Air Ministry References would also be great if anyone had a catalogue of those?

Any other links/references/assistance gratefully appreciated, thanks. I'm intending to make up a suite of manuals and have them available.

I'm interested in copies of literature both the DV/DF and SV/SF Models, there's a number of subtle differences between them and different/respective documents were issued to cover them. Both were however named/preceded by No.1 Mk.1 in their nomenclature so its something to look out for 😣

Looking for:

• Army Code No.9563 - Drill for Generating Sets 27.5kVA (Meadows) No1 Mk1 1959
• Army Code No.11031 - Plant Servicing Schedule - P SS 130 - Generator? Trailer? Both?
• Army Code No.11589 - Parts List - Meadows, CI Engine, 63bhp, 4DJ420, Driving Generating Set, AC 27.5kva 415/240v, 208/120v, 3-phase 50/60 c/s, No.1 Mk.1 
• Army Code No.13095 - Servicing Schedule - Generator? Trailer? Both?
• CES No.33884 - Complete Equipment Schedule, TRAILER FV2502A
• CES No.38066 - Complete Equipment Schedule, Sets, Generator and Power Plants
• CES No.38292 - Complete Equipment Schedule, Sets, Generator and Power Plants
• CES No.38293 - Complete Equipment Schedule, Sets, Generator and Power Plants
• CES No.38569 - Complete Equipment Schedule, Sets, Generator and Power Plants
• CES No.38835 - Complete Equipment Schedule, Sets, Generator and Power Plants
• W.O. Code No.6568 - User Handbook, Generating Sets, AC, 27 ½ K.V.A
• W.O. Code No.10534 - User Handbook, Generating Sets, AC, 27 ½ K.V.A  
• W.O. Code No.10599 - Identification List, Generating Sets 27kva, 415/240V, 3 phase, 50c/s, No.1, Mk 1
• W.O. Code No.10691 - Identification List, Generating Sets, AC, 27 ½ K.V.A    
• W.O. Code No.10918 - Illustrated Spare Parts List Engine, Diesel, Meadows, 4DJ/420
• W.O. Code No.11031 - Servicing Schedule for Generating Sets A.C., 27.5 kVA, 415/240 Volts, 208/120 Volts, 3 Phase, 50/60 C/S, No.1 Mark 1    
• W.O. Code No.11589 - Illustrated Spare Parts List Engine, Diesel, Meadows, 4DJ/420    
• EMER T&M A 028/100 1 1 1 - Meadows Instructions 4-Cyl Type 4DJ/420
• EMER T&M A 028/100 2 1 1 - Meadows Instructions 4-Cyl Type 4DJ/420, Mk7
• EMER T&M A 028/100 4 1 1/2 - Meadows Instructions 4-Cyl Type 4DJ/420, Mk7/4
• EMER Power C 012/1 - Meadows / Magnicon Alternator Operation
• EMER Power C 200/10 -200/10 - Generator set, 27.5 kVA, Meadows (DV/DF)    
• EMER Power C 200/8 - 209/8 - Generator set, 27.5 kVA, 3 phase Meadows (SV/SF)    
• EMER Power C 202/10 - Generator set, 27.5 kVA, Meadows (DV/DF & SV/SF) Technical Description
• AF G 1098 Schedule No.2219 (CSL/158/28)    - Equipment Detail - Generating Set AC 27.5kva 415/240V, 208/120V 3 Phase 50/60 c/s No.1 Mk1, trailer-mounted - Cat No. X2/XB 18959. Mounted on 2-Ton, 4-Wheeled Trailer FV2502.
• AF G 1098 Schedule No.2635/1 (CSL/158/31) - Equipment Detail - Generating Set AC 27.5kva 415/240V, 208/120V 3 Phase 50/60 c/s No.1 Mk1, trailer-mounted REME - Cat No. X2/XB 21809. Mounted on 2-Ton, 4-Wheeled Trailer FV2502 with accessories.
• Specifications - Wh Veh F170-F179 - Truck 3-Ton, 4x4 GS, Power Generating and Charging
• Specifications - Wh Veh U280/2-U269/2 - Trailer, FV2502A, 2-Ton, 4 Wh, Low Loading Sentinel
• Filmstrip - FS74 Pt1 - Diesel Generators, Combustion Ignition Engine
• Filmstrip - FS958 - Meadows 27.5kva Generator

Obtained from Clive with thanks:

• EMER Power C 200/10 -202/10 - Generator set, 27.5 kVA, Meadows (DV/DF) Data Summary, Operators Instructions, Technical Description Aug 1983
• EMER Power C 203/10 - 204/10 - Generator set, 27.5 kVA, Meadows (DV/DF) Unit Repairs, Field and Base Repairs Aug 1983
• EMER Power C 207/10 - 209/10 - Generator set, 27.5 kVA, Meadows (DV/DF) Modification Instructions, Inspection Standards, Misc Instructions Sept 1985

Have, but would like a clearer or original copy of:

• W.O. Code No.11375    Identification List

I believe there were 1970s re-issues of manuals but the references I have are sparce. I have a SEME user Handbook from 1980 but that's a bit of an aberration. If anyone has the Bordon Training Manuals (or their references) that would be superb!

The SV/SF (Single Voltage Single Frequency) units appear to have dropped away first, or perhaps they were made in lower numbers? This is the type with the wardrobe-sized control panel on the rear end, large gauges and cast iron isolators. Also appears to have been more commonly fitted with an electric start/charge system, although this option was available for either unit.

The DV/DF (Dual Voltage Dual Frequency) units appear to have been a little more common, better waterproofed, usually air-starting. 

References I have been working from so far:

• FV2502    Army Reference to the 27.5 kVA Generating Sets
• 61 MD/4DJ/420    Meadows Compression-Ignition Engine 4DJ/420
• 16A/1935 - Air Ministry Stores Reference Code for: Trailer, Power, 27 kVA (Gen Set 42J/2500 mounted on Trailer 16A/2048)
• 16A/2048 - Air Ministry Stores Reference Code for: Trailer, 2 Ton, 4 Wheeled, Sentinel Mk1
• 42J/2500 - Air Ministry Stores Reference Code for: 27 ½ K.V.A Generating Sets AC, 415/240Volt, 208/120Volt, 3 Phase, 50/60 C/S No1 Mk1 (N.B. Model DV/DF)
• X2/XB 18958 - Generating Sets, AC, 27.5kva, 415/240V, 208/120V, 3 Phase 50/60 c/s No.1, Mk1, Less Trailer (N.B. Model DV/DF)
• X2/XB 18959 - Generating Set AC 27.5kva 415/240V, 208/120V 3 Phase 50/60 c/s No.1 Mk1, trailer-mounted.
• X2/XB 19736 - Tool Kit
• X2/XB 21359 - Generating Sets, AC, 27.5kva, 415/240V, 208/120V, 3 Phase 50/60 c/s No.1, Mk1, c/w tools and spares
• X2/XB 21809 - Generating Set AC 27.5kva 415/240V, 208/120V 3 Phase 50/60 c/s No.1 Mk1, trailer-mounted REME.
• X2/6115-99-900-6766 - No.1 Mk.1 Trailer Mounted No.1
• X2/6115-99-900-6767 - No.1 Mk.1 c/w repair kit trailer mounted No.1
• X2/6115-99-900-7178 - No.1 Mk.1 c/w repair kit trailer mounted No.2
• X2/6115-99-900-7590 - Generator Set, Diesel Engine, Trailer Mounted No.1 Mk.1, c/w repair Kit
• 6115-99-900-6766 - No.1 Mk.1 Trailer Mounted No.1
• 6115-99-900-6767 - No.1 Mk.1 c/w repair kit trailer mounted No.1
• 6115-99-900-7178 - No.1 Mk.1 c/w repair kit trailer mounted No.2
• 6115-99-900-7590 - Generator Set, Diesel Engine, Trailer Mounted No.1 Mk.1, c/w repair Kit
• Wh Veh F170-F179    Truck 3-Ton, 4x4 GS, Power Generating and Charging
• Wh Veh U280/2-U269/2    Trailer, FV2502A, 2-Ton, 4 Wh, Low Loading Sentinel

I'm going to contact Kew and the IWM to see if they can find mention of the Filmstrip reference.

Cheers, Alec.

Thats a remarkable survivor 😁

Alec.

This is tempting me South next year 😁

A 1600 mile round trip in a LR-FC is not to be sniffed at, especially with my back 🤣

Alec.