DaveR100

An interesting question raised above about whether, when the 2023 dates were advertised there was any intention from the directors to of War and Peace Revival Ltd run a 2023 show. Someone who is owed money may wish to pursue this question. The show was dying anyway. My last visit was 2019 (my first was at Tenterden) and it was clear the number of stalls was falling and the number of vehicle and other entries was also down. My wife heard stallholders actively discussing whether there was a better venue and some of the key traders in my area of interest were already absent. There has already been remarks here about the absence of interest in their stall at Stoneleigh in 2022 and the removal of the concessions for veterans and serving personnel showed a remarkable ignorance of the mores of this hobby. There is also a further question. With the rise of the internet, forums such as this, facebook groups, the real rises in the cost of fuel and the increasingly hostile road environment for old slow vehicles. do we need a large national rally with all the risks attached for the organisers? A range of good regional and local events would seem to be the way to go. A view no doubt controversial but I will be interested in others' views.

If ticket sales are to happen from mid March, given the financials available I have seen on the company, I would not give the W&P organisation any money in advance of the show itself.

For those in the South East and East Anglia you may like to look at the Echoes of History show in August. Run by a registered charity (the Essex Historic Vehicle Association) near Wickford in Essex. https://www.echoesofhistoryshow.com/

When I looked at the Companies House info the company incorporated in 2015 as the vehicle or the show (War and Peace Revival Ltd) had a deficit on its balance sheet at the last filing. Blosville Ltd files nothing until next year

Just started on a a K5 Airportable version and am looking for the vehicle breaking down and assembly manual (which I assume was a WD publication - possibly REME not an Austin one) either an original, a photocopy or electronic copy would be fine as I am after the information not a collectable. I am also after some missing parts but will deal with that separately Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

Interesting reading. The E-HMVA give the member the option of hard copy for their quarterly magazine. Receiving all (magazine, newsletter and "magazine extra") on line is sub £20 and if a member wishes they can add a supplement to get a hard copy of the quarterly magazine. This seems the way to go for all in the future

The correct wartime size as far as I know for Pioneers etc is 13.50x20. Would it be better to do these? (if it is possible.) The other point is that from the HCVS magazine vehicles built before 1960 are exempt from this rule. I have a set of NDT 1400's but if you switch to 13.50 I could be interested. It will depend on price. PM details please

Mogmaner I would like to see the other photo. One issue I have yet to sort out (but is long way down the line) is the eyelets. All now use metal ones but as you know a lot of vehicle canvas was made by sail makers and that leads to the question of eyelets v sail makers eyes (effectively sewn button holes).

My reaction would be initially yes sand colour was an “overcoat” on upper surfaces only maybe on arrival. However, by 1941 there was a chronic shortage of chromium oxide (an essential pigment for green paint). With vehicles being specifically contracted for the Desert Campaign and this shortage (which had resulted in a switch from green to dark earth as a vehicle’s base colour (my R100, released late 1943 was dark earth ex-factory) it would be logical to assume that sand colour was applied to some vehicles destined for the desert as the originally applied colour. However see references to Mike Taylor’s book below which would indicate things were not that well controlled or efficient. The following data is taken from Mike Starmer’s “British Army Colours & Disruptive Camouflage in the UK, ….1936-45 and is evidence of the central WAR Office concerns From ACI 96 February 1939 – Quote “ALL vehicles……..which are at present painted with service paint shall in future be painted with …..Khaki Green No3”. [My emphasis] This is reaffirmed in an ACI in December 1939. (Although Mike is directing his comments at UK, and NW Europe this ACI uses the term “All”.) ACI 2339 of May 1942 stipulates a change to a brown with green used until existing stocks are exhausted for UK and Europe but the author believes this was a “catch up” on actual practice. In Dick Taylor’s “Warpaint” vol 2 page 14 there is a photo of a 15cwt from above which clearly shows the load compartment” has not been repainted in the camouflage base colour”. (The photo has an IWM reference IWM E4399 and is dated July 1941. Given the appearance of the rear half shaft I would guess the vehicle is a full windscreen MW.) This book (Page 39) also states that many vehicles were not camouflaged and in rear areas were left in European finishes – presumably either brown or green. He does not date this view My reaction would be initially yes sand colour was an “overcoat” on upper surfaces only maybe on arrival. However, by 1941 there was a chronic shortage of chromium oxide (an essential pigment for green paint). With vehicles being specifically contracted for the Desert Campaign and this shortage (which had resulted in a switch from green to dark earth as a vehicle’s base colour (my R100, released late 1943 was dark earth ex-factory) it would be logical to assume that sand colour was applied to some vehicles destined for the desert as the originally applied colour. However see references to Mike Taylor’s book below which would indicate things were not that well controlled or efficient. The following data is taken from Mike Starmer’s “British Army Colours & Disruptive Camouflage in the UK, ….1936-45 and is evidence of the central WAR Office concerns From ACI 96 February 1939 – Quote “ALL vehicles……..which are at present painted with service paint shall in future be painted with …..Khaki Green No3”. [My emphasis] This is reaffirmed in an ACI in December 1939. (Although Mike is directing his comments at UK, and NW Europe this ACI uses the term “All”.) ACI 2339 of May 1942 stipulates a change to a brown with green used until existing stocks are exhausted for UK and Europe but the author believes this was a “catch up” on actual practice. In Dick Taylor’s “Warpaint” vol 2 page 14 there is a photo of a 15cwt from above which clearly shows the load compartment” has not been repainted in the camouflage base colour”. (The photo has an IWM reference IWM E4399 and is dated July 1941. Given the appearance of the rear half shaft I would guess the vehicle is a full windscreen MW.) This book (Page 39) also states that many vehicles were not camouflaged and in rear areas were left in European finishes – presumably either brown or green. He does not date this view Trust this is of some use and does not breech copyright rules.

Radek/Mogmanor Many thanks for your trouble on this and my apologies for the time taken for me to respond. In the photo of the K5 and MW, the K5 has the trafficator in the position used on the YN model. However it provides further evidence that the rear tilt is not tailored but is a flat sheet tarpaulin. Also it indicates another practice where the post '49 "registration" number is applied in the same location as a preceding census number. I would speculate this dates from 1949 or very early '50's before the army decided to treat these as standard registration numbers. With your permission I would like to download and keep a copy of the photo. Radek, the photos are of the assembly I am missing. Could you post one with enough dimensions so I can fabricate one. (I see little chance of finding one.) The knob on the end also is very close in profile to the yellow one on a series Land Rover. Again my thanks and regards to you both

Radek Thank you for your reply. This the type and position used on the YN model with a wooden cab though the pivot "hinge" is not as long. For the ZD the positioning is on the near side just in front the door hinge and just below the windscreen line. It is exactly the same position as used on the QL

Does anyone have details of the what the lever looked like for raising the mechanical trafficator on the metal cab? I am pretty certain the pivot for the arm is the same as the one used on the wood framed cab but have no details of the lever used. Any info or a photo welcome. Thanks in advance for any assistance.

My name is David and interest is the WWII era British Army. I recently retired and so can now concentrate on getting my various vehicles back on the road - starting with a couple of ex British Army jeeps. Looking at various posts I look forward to contributing what little I know and learning a lot more from other members.

Has any member got a K5 fitted with the ladder type spare tyre carrier with the wheel in the centre of longditudinal axis. Preferably in South of England. The whole assembly on mine is missing so I need to pattern one. Thanks for any help