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Hi Hanno.

The chassis is pretty much that, painted with bitumin by the looks of it. If you rub the paint down to bare metal then the undercoat is black and it is hard as nails but has done its job over the last 60 years very well 8)

Alright then, to get back to your original question: the chassis had a black undercoat plus OD top coat when it left the factory.

Hi Hanno,

The stuff I have found on GMC's and Dodge's has a smooth shiney finish and I would say it's got an etching quality.

 

Hi Matt,

Apparently some of the truck manufacturers during WW2 used common practice to paint their chassis black, after final assemble an overcoat of Olive Drab was applied to the whole vehicle.

It seems Jack's GMC has had bituminous undercoating applied by the Norwegian Army (over the Olive Drab top coat). My 20-cwt trailer, also ex-Norwegian Army, has the same type of undercoating.

Jack, have you tried removing some of the paint layers on your chassis. You should find black undercoating, olive drab and then black base paint?

Hanno

The stuff I have come across is almost like tar. It is real tough and adhears to the metal real well.

That's not a factory applied coating

The black undercoat is correct,it was also used on Dodges. when the truck left the factory the black would already have been over sprayed OD.

Hi Matt, was that black bitumen-based undercoat? Or black paint?

Cheers,

Hanno

Excellent info, thanks!

The pictures which appear in this 1945 publication shows sand channels in use and clearly shows FIVE rows of holes.

Do they look like these?

Regards,

Hanno

Anybody know why this collection is being auctioned?

John Belfield is getting older (he's in his 70's, IIRC), I guess that has something to do with it.

Hanno

FYI: http://www.geocities.com/cmpvehicles/paint.html

This should tell you all you need to know, or maybe confuse you even more :shock:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower

"Brake Horsepower (bhp) - The measure of horsepower at maximum engine output, minus power lost from heat, friction, expansion of the engine, etc."

In other words: the amount of hp measured at the brakes.

H.

what monster WWII truck could tow such a trailer and what was it used for?

I don't think this is a WW2 trailer. I'll see if I can dig up any info.

Hanno

Tyler, great item - now you really need a CMP truck to tow it. :wink:

If anyone can tell me what paint colours it would have been in, type of units it would have served in etc, where I can find missing parts of pattens I would be very greatfull.

Ask ackack on this forum, he's restored a Quad Polsten as well.

Cheers,

Hanno

And another friend is looking to purchase a Willy's this year.

Make sure though your friend will purchase a Willys, that is, if he/she wants a WW2 Jeep

Cheers,

Hanno[/b]

Treat youself now, repro from Holland, starting bid £80,

 

Hmm, I can't see clearly stated this is a repro. Not very nice of the seller....

Hanno

Seriously though, what's with the lack of wheels and fenders, is it battle damage?

Yes, the vehicles which were there when the museum opened intially were all battle casualties found in or around Overloon. Over the years other vehicles were added to the collection, latest addition is the complete Marshall Museum, formerly located at Zwijndrecht.

It has been many years ago since I last saw the Humber LRC, but as far as I can recall it was indeed damaged by mines. Note the rear suspension is complete gone. Mind you, many restorers would think nothing of restoring this "wreck".

Hanno

P.S. for info on the battle for Overloon, see http://www.godutch.com/windmill/newsItem.asp?id=291

There is 1 in Holland at Overloon museum.

But it has been sitting outside for 60 years and is in a terrible state.

Haven't got a photo.

You mean this one?

It's a Humber LRC.

Source: http://www.jagdtiger.de/

we have spent all of last year getting kited out as Yanks and getting our Red Ball Express display looking the part.

Looks great, well done!

Cheers,

Hanno

That's right but its dated 1942 and who's to say that the Yank's didn't have a few Commonwealth Bofor's, even the Germans were using them and besides do you know how hard it is to get a U.S made Bofors over here :shock:

If you have a CCKW-352 you could mark the whole lot up as a British unit ... see http://www.hmvf.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6755#6755

Hanno

we were looking for a WWII dated gun and this one was 1942. I had seen this photo and knew we had to have one for our Red Ball Convoy .

But the one you bought is the type as used by the Commonwealth, isn't it?

Hanno

See Trailer, 1 Ton, 2 Wh., G.S.

A question ? GMC 352/353's, what British Army units used them during WWII. ?

Andy,

CCKW-352's were indeed used by the British during WW2. Below follow the references I found on GMC CCKW-352 2½-ton 6x6 truck in Commonwealth service:

"The GMC CCKW-352 2½-ton 6x6 truck was also produced for allied forces, incl. at least 400 for the United Kingdom" [bart Vanderveen, Historic Military Vehicles Directory, p.353]. I do not know when these trucks were exactly ordered, but somehow I think this was early during the war when Britain was frantically trying to make good the Dunkirk losses? If my assumption is correct, these British CCKW-352s were fitted with closed cabs (transition from the closed to open cab took place from August, 1942 until late in April (possibly early May) 1943).

As the CCKW-352's intended main role was artillery towing, "the British pressed a number into service as Bofors 40-mm light AA gun tractors. With no special stowage arrangements the ammunition was simply stowed at the forward end of the body with a spare barrel down the middle, the crew using the standard hinged slatted seats" [John Church, Military Vehicles of World War 2, p.93].

There is also mention of two batteries of the 93rd Anti-Tank Regiment in Italy, "receiving U.S. 2½-ton trucks in place of the British tractors used for towing their guns" in August 1943. (note: in June '43 the 93rd converted to a new establishment of four batteries, one self-propelled and three towed, of which one had 17-pounders with Mark II carriages and the other two 6-pounders) [C.H. Bogart, 'The 93rd Anti-Tank Regiment'. AFV News, Vol.32, No.1, January-April 1997, p.8].

So it seems the CCKW-352 in British service was definitely used as a tractor for the the Bofors 40-mm AA gun, whilst 17- and/or 6-pdr AT guns seem to have been towed as well. As far as I can ascertain, no 25-pdr field guns were towed by Commonwealth CCKW-352's during WW2.

Ref. http://www.mapleleafup.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1785

Hope this helps,

Hanno