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The cigar is a nice touch! :cool2:

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yes i want one too ,:laugh:

Reliability might be a bit off, some bright spark put the oil filter in the back-left wheel arch, right in the firing line of the first brick you drive over :nut:

They are awesome bits of kit though. The UK version is called Panther.

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I think we need a few failed prosecutions to show us where the line is...driving isn't the main part of my job (I do electronics) but we have a bunch of kit in a radio shelter on the back of an MJ. Grey area? yes, a lot!

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m1 jnct 29 south , 5 trucks each carrying sand coloured brand new armoured crew cab style pickups dont know what make they was ? a bit like a hummer , couldnt get pics as i was driving :red:

Iveco LMV maybe?

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On Tuesday I spotted a convoy of 4 new-spec desert sand FFR Landies about J2 of the M40 and a car transporter carrying 10-15 green ones about J8

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Left over from the NI days mate.

Gotcha, had only ever seen the non-batwing version...(so that one's a Saxon Patrol?) They look pretty spiffy in sand!

What happened to the Alvis Simba?

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Those are some seriously ugly modifications :rofl:

Are those 'batwings' like the NI Pig ones? EOD maybe?

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i also like the look of the brdm 2,there's some good footage on youtube ,seems like a lot of fun for your money but it's nothing more than idle dreaming

They look good fun but are apparently a bit underpowered (and carting 7000kg around on a PETROL V8, thirsty too!) Maybe if you do an engine transplant for a nice Cummins or something...

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Yep, just fill in a V112G, 'historic' class. Might also get free road tax if it was old enough (can't remember the date on that, 1971 rings a bell faintly?)

B+E is technically just for a vehicle up to 3500kg with a trailer above 750kg, but it might conceivably allow you to persuade the angry VOSA man if you got caught with a bigger trailer on! It would only be checked if you'd been stopped for something else (everyone would just assume you had cat C) but you'd technically need C+E to carry any load in either. Not sure if there's a limitation on trailer size under INF52 but I wouldn't want to be trying it on, I wouldn't want to get caught and forfeit the vehicle.

Tony: You can do all the tests for under £1000 but that assumes you pass first time! When I tried it was £50 for the medical, then send the licence off to get provisional for C and D (valid until 45 years of age), £35 for the multiple choice theory test, £15 for the hazard perception video test and £115 for the practical. I didn't do the CPC as it hadn't come in when I was tested but that's another £30 for theory and £55 for practical, so I make it £250 now to get tested. The training place I used was £750 for a week so it'd be relatively very cheap if you could persuade someone to lend you a truck and drive around in it with you with your L-plates on! :-D Quite a few people taking the test just need the qualification but already know how to drive one so as long as you'd got a test-spec vehicle for the day to take your test in you'd be home free.

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You could just go for the Russian approach and forbid any crew from being over 5'4"! :cool2:

Not sure which tank that started on but making the short crewman assumption allowed them to shave a couple of inches off the silhouette...

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Bit of a tangent but are you able to register MVs with their original plate number over there? Couldn't spot the numberplate...or did you take it off for the display?

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And is there an upper weight (or width) limit to this, i.e. could I also drive a Diamond T or a Constructor or similar (pre 1960)?

 

And what about trailers- I've not got a "trailer entitlement" but could I legally tow a large empty trailer behind my hypothetical Matador?

It's all in [iNF52].

You fit into 2.1 L:

2.1 Holders of a full category B (car) driving licence may drive any of

the large vehicles listed below:

...

(l) a goods vehicle manufactured before 1 January 1960, used unladen and not drawing a laden trailer

...

Drivers must be aged 21 and have held a category B licence for at least 2 years.

You'd be fine driving a Matador, but you can't have ANY load on it (and if the guy who stops you wants to be clever I think the unladen trailer you're allowed to pull must weigh under 750kg as otherwise I think you'd need B+E). As long as you're very careful not to have anything considered 'a load' on board (this includes a vehicle toolkit, spares etc) you're OK - but for the avoidance of doubt it's always better to have cat C.

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Are car engines really that rare that you'd have to break up an MV pack? I would have thought the car variants were mass-produced in much greater volumes so it's a bit of a strange idea to me. He can do what he wants though, obviously :-D

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It actually happens quite a lot which is worrying!

this one was particularly bad...

:shake:

The vehicle graveyard is here if anybody fancies a quick peek.

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According to Withams the "combat" weight is 10,170Kgs. That's a HGV2 (Cat C) licence required.

Ah, right, I thought they were under 8250. In that case you'll need a C unless you fit into one of the special arrangements in INF52 as above.

Simplest route is to get cat C and cat H and you're covered for anything we're likely to want

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Some dodgy assumptions in here, 'It's not an HGV' doesn't mean you wouldn't need a C or C1 licence!

As you passed your test before 1997 your main entitlements should be B (car), B1 (quad bike), B+E (car + trailer), C1 (small LGV), C1E (small LGV + trailer), D1 (minibus) and D1E (minibus + trailer), plus A if you ride a motorbike. The combination of B, B1 and B+E allows you to drive anything up to 3500kg with a trailer more than 750kg (train weight limits apply). C1 is the magic one as on its own it allows you to drive anything with a Maximum Authorised Mass up to 7500kg - as you have an older licence you should have information code 107 on it which allows you to drive up to 8250kg.

It's the MAM as per the V5 that makes the difference, not whether or not it's a goods vehicle - per the rules our Bedford isn't a goods vehicle due to the permanently mounted engineering equipment, but you still need category C as the MAM is 9650kg. It's very much worth making the distinction as some of us aren't lucky enough to have passed before 1997 so we only got B and B1 when we passed our car tests! :police: There's absolutely no grey area as the licence categories are very rigidly defined - PC Plod will be looking at the V5 details to tell if you're in the right or not.

Answer: I can't drive a Saracen on my licence, but you can. Tony B will be along in a minute to fill in anything I got wrong

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Yep, I got to crawl over one early on too (our lot did one of the other systems). I loved all the 'NOT A HANDHOLD' stickers on ours, looks like it failed one of the early squaddie tests! :cool2:

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This wheel is like new!:-D

Still got your sense of humour, looks like you'll need it! :-D

Good on you for saving it, look forward to the restoration pics

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I think I am correct with the V112G Stone, he will need this for MOT exemption as the Ferret is not a motor car.

Yep, you were right, sorry. If it's under 3500kg unladen it should be a car IIRC, a Ferret scrapes over. I suppose technically you couldn't drive it on a Cat B either!

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NATO Green is BS381C, Shade #285 (or RAL #6014).

The Marcus Glenn stuff is pretty good - slightly lighter than the original shade but you can only really see it with the light against it. If the whole vehicle was done in the same colour it'd look a very close match.

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I take it all back!

Bless them, sometimes it's a spade and sometimes it's a portable handraulic soil manipulation device!

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Get it insured (I would have used the chassis number) then fill out the V55/5 with as much info as possible. If MOT exempt get a V112/G and fill that out and hand in when getting it registered.

Nope, it's a V112 - V112G is 'Apply for exemption from goods vehicle testing'. As it's not a goods vehicle you use the other form.

Also worth taking rubbings of the chassis number if applicable - they can and have got funny about verifying them. They wanted me to trailer a Bedford MJ 60 miles to the local office so beware!

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They've got some beautiful 2S1s but they're £30k! :shocked:

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You need a V55/5 (have to pick up in person from DVLA local office as they're serial-numbered...or I think they can post one to you if you can get your way through their phone system).

Then the rest is on here:

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_4022316

It helps a lot if you have some form of former registration (gold-standard is MOD Form 654) - where did it come from? Has it been road-registered before? You'll also need a V112 for MOT exemption if it's old enough to be 'historic'.

Top tip is to pick two forms up at the same time as you're pretty much guaranteed to mess one up

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By sheer coincidence (really!) I found a T-34-85 manual in a batch of stuff I was chasing up. Frustratingly none of the manuals I was looking for showed up!

Just in case anybody was interested in having a look I've stuck it on my website here. Even if you can't read Cyrillic you can look at the piccies! Watch out if you're on dialup as it's nearly 60MB.

Modnote: This seemed as good a thread as any to put it but feel free to shift it if you'd rather

I've got some T-55/T-60/T-72 ones as well if they're of interest...

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