Blackpowder44

You are wriggling around trying to find pitfalls and the passage is quite clear, in subsection ii,articles required etc. nothing anywhere to say charities or any other body, club, nothing. I am beginning to wonder if you can read 28 simple words and understand them, both you and antarmike seem hellbent to twist all sorts of redherrings into this permission that patently are not there. I am an ex Police officer and my son is a serving one, I asked him to look into this and he asked the Traffic prosecution department to look at the legislation using my hypothetical half track as an example. I will post their reply when I can find my wife and get her to get it out of my computer.

Now,a person that takes advantage of lawfull exemption is a moron, I do not think drivers of large MV would like to be called morons because they use their rite in law. Any morons . like to respond

Yet again a compleat bias against onyone who might want to drive under this exemption that falls apart because you do not "attack" drivers of large MV driving on a car licence. Me thinks a case of double standards .

Once again you have lost the plot. The Halftrack question to the DVLA was a hypothetical one, that is what I said in my letter about phoning the DVLA So all your making a bad case for myself shows that you do not seem to read and understand fully what I have written. Have a go by all means but dont expect me not to reply to something you think I am saying, when in fact you have yet again got it all wrong.

Another of your dismissive putdowns. At least I went to the trouble to phone to get their take on the subject. Have you.

Again, what about car licence holders driving large MV with all their gear in the back. You do not seem to be forthcoming on that subject.

Please, next time you go to an MV show, go up to any large MV owner and ascertain whether he is driving it on a car licence.If so you will be able to say you think he is using a tenuous loophole and to go and take a test and a medical. If you think that all drivers of largeMV on a car licence are a danger to you or your friends then there must be very few shows that you can attend.

Bless you an all, my son.John

Thanks for your reply. I have owned one of my jeeps for 31 years and oltho having fitted new diaphrams in the past, I now blank off the petrol pump "hole" and use an electric pump.

Bless you catweazle, after all the flak I have been getting on the MPV site its good to get a positive reply. Another strange malfunction on my jeep was petrol leaking from the petrol pump into the sump. I suppose fumes came up the cylinder bores, ignited and blew the valve cover plate off. Someone had his sump blown off in the same malfunction. Electric petrol pumps from then on. John

Good, you have now both had a look at the permissions, I had already put them on one of my earlier posts. Now you have read them what can you possibly object to anyone who may wish to apply for an exemption.

Tim, My jeeps also had an internal crack letting water into the sump.In both cases the problem was the Distributor tunnel, the solution was to ream out the tunnel and insert a bronze tube, this was done by a verry good Polish engineer,In both cases fine ever since. Roy G. had same problem,his was cured the same way. John

Tony, I stiched my jeep block myself many years ago and it is still leakproof. The only time it needed after treatment was when the block was skimmed , radweld cured this minor leak. The process is, choose the bolt size you think will suit the job, ascertain the drill size approprate to the tap you will use, find smaller drill, tube of locktite,drill pilot hole, drill with tap size drill, tap hole,screw in bolt with locktite,cut off bolt flush to surface, dotpunch new bolt stem in line with crack , this dot punch must be on the edge of the ground off stem, therefoe when you have drilled and tapped and screwed the next bolt it will half cut into the previous bolt stem,good luck,John

Dear antar mike, I said nothing about objecting to a car licence holder driving Hippo"s or Diamond T they have a legal rite to do so. Its the fact that very many of these vehicles are kitted out in the resar as camper wagons with sinks, cookers etc. in which case theri permission is invalidated and they are driving illegally because the permission states quite clearly No goods are to be carried. If I am driving my car with ,say, my grandchildren in it and I see a Diamond T for example in my mirror and for what ever reason he crashes into the back of me and it is later found that he has all this gear in the back, who do I make a claim for the damage. Not his insurance, his insurance is invalidated.He is driving with no insurance, no mot,no suitable driving licence, in short he is in deep***

For goodness sake, did I say use a low loader men, NO. All I have said in essence is you have a right under the law to apply, if you think you qualify, for an MPV grant of exemption. How the hell did you go from that to Low Loaders.I took the trouble to phone the DVLA today. I spoke to an adviser who also asked her supervisor to listen in on my query. I asked her to look at sub-para ii, note para ii not sub-para.i. I asked her to listen to a hypothetical question on thes para. I said, if I went out and bought a WWII half-trak weighing aboue 7.5 tons and I wished to take it to shows and Fetes and the like, and because of the cost of tracks I would wish to carry it on a larger BEVORTAIL LORRY capeable of taking the weight, and once I arrived at the place of exebition etc. Talked to anyone who was curios about this half track, and therefor I in essence was educating them and instructing them, what did she make of that. The two at the other end of the phone both said that was a perfectly legitimate case for an MPV. A lot of you seem to have a problem with this piece of legislation, putting up so many red herrings that maybe the fishing quota has run out.Not a word from anyone on the acceptance by you all of car licence holders driving Hippos, DimondT etc, Not a peep about living Quarters in the rear of said lorries, as I said previously, a taboo subject . If not go ahead and try to give me some stick on both subjects. John

Hi Tim, have been reading all the helpfull coments about your timing etc. I phoned your father and suggested that as your engine was produced well before leaded petrol was in supply that the ignition timing would need altering, much as others have posted on here. I should have known that you can do this manually from the steering column, Dad instructed me to carry on and put a reply on here regardless, He also had a good laugh when I told him that I was Blackpowder and I have been writing about MPV, he obviously had enjoyed the site. May see you at Honiton Hill Rally, John.

Yet again antarmike you are missing by a mile the point I strive to make. I an not advocating regestering anyones military vehicle as an MPV. I am pointing out an exemption in law for a person who may wish to transport their MV to a show on the back of a more modern lorry can contact the DVLA and if they agree that the person applying is complying with the legal requirements then thats fine. All the comments about passing an HGV test are negated by the fact that most of you seem quite happy for scammel drivers Hippo drivers and drivers of various large MV to drive on a car licence. They are taking advantage of their rights under the law. Why shouldnt people who may have a legitimate case apply for an Mpv exemption.

Yet again you misrepresent what I have said. Of course you must apply to have your vehicle registered by the DVLA as a mobile project vehicle. I have been trying all through this discussion that if you meet the conditions of the act then I cannot see why you put up all these red herrings about HGV licences, Medical tests, eye sight tests. No of these things are mentioned in the permissions. If you can satisfy the relevant people that you will only use the vehicle from the place of keeping to the place of exhebition etc. and only use the vehicle for that purpose then anyone is perfectly entitled to this exemption.

I am sorry to keep on, but I think you are missing the point of my original message. The law on MPV is on the statute books, therefor to say that someone who uses it is somehow trying to avoid taking an HGV licence is, sorry to say, and at the expence of annoying you yet again, rubbish. You hav not made mention of the owners of largr MV driving on a car licence and no MOT. How can you rubbish someone maybe appling for an MVP permission on the grounds that they most probly fail and on the other hand be quite happy for others to swan down the road in Hippo size vehicles, loaded up with Beds, sinks and cookers making their insurance nul and void,if an accident occurs to these drivers who pays out any compensation. I know this is a taboo subject but lets face the facts, there are a lot of these type of illegal uses going on.

Antar Mike, a wellthought out reply from you. Point one, doctors test for fitness to drive HGV. Do drivers of say a Leyland Hippo or anyother large MV driving them on a car licence take a medical to ascertain their fitness. I do not thinkso. Do they have their vehicles ministry tested. no. You use the phrase truly legal, if you comply with the criteria set out in law for a MPV then you are totally legal.I do not go to purley military shows but I do go to shows that have a variety of vehicles and I am often asked about the vehicle I havewith me, ie. what engine, where it was made...I would submit that unlike your finding of the general public I find they like to talk about your pride and joy, even policemen have come up and asked questions of the Bren carrier because both were in the army and drove the much later APC. So I would strongly suggest that on these grounds the criteria can be met.I am not advocating that enyone should break the law,but if the permissions are there, explore how they may apply to your use of a transporter to go to a distant show.Why recoil in horror from a right that is yours

You are talking about agri. tractors and are in the wrong section. Please take a look at the page I took the trouble to print out and look at the fourth paragraph up you will see that a new section has started relating to MPV

If you read the DVLA sheet I reproduced for every one to look at you will see that nowhere does it mention agri. vehicles. What is this comment about people using the legislation to have an excuse for not having an HGV licence. If the rules say that if you can prove that the vehicle is being only used as aMPV then what is your problem in people execising their right under the law.The question is not "that they call it an MPV and drive on regardless, they must satisfy the legal criteria, if so, perfectly legal. Now to act as a devils witness, how about the lorry drivers driving a lorry on a car licence because it is over a certain age and does not require a ministry test. O.K. is used unladen. How many of you know of such vehicles carring kit in the rear, used as a mobile home, etc. In which case totally illegal unless the vehicle has a ministry test certificate, the driver has a driving licence to cover them for that class of vehicle. not having these docs. the insurance is invalid and the vehicle could be seized by Police.

Thats stating the B++++ obvious.

The criteria stated in the DVLA information sheet states, Quote, mobile project vehicles i play/ educational equipment and articles required in connection with the use of such equiptment, ii articles required for the purpose of display or of an exebition, and the primary purpose of which is used as a recreational, educational or instructional facility when stationary, etc.As I understand this section, if using a "lorry" to take its load, MV to a show or to a school to show the children as part of their curriculum, or to a village fete. Then these journey"s meet the criteria set out in the exemptions.

Not MOT interest but this may well be worth looking at for owners who transport their vehicles to shows, bren carriers etc. Have a look on the DVLA website, under exempted large goods vehicles. This seems to sat that you may drive a vehicle well over 7.5 tons on a car licence if you meet the criteria. The place you are looking for is Mobile Project Vehicles