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Thinking about it C238 is the specification of the box. Which should be 658 x 244 x 231 mm. Underneath mine reads:

ECC C238 Mk 2 SV57A 1968

I guess ECC is the manufacturer & maybe the SV57A is the contract.

There is a Defence Standard on the storage of ammo on RN ships which refers to ammo boxes on: http://www.dstan.mod.uk/data/02/179/00000100.pdf

If you've got the time, there are large number of other Def Stans that make mention of ammo boxes on this official site.

I thought it looked familiar I've got an identical box in the back of my Land Rover for storing tools. But no markings like C 238 1 on it.

I have a 1949 list of ammunition abbreviations & there is nothing like that. As it happens C2 is the VAOS section for machine guns & accessories for AFV use. But as this clearly is an ammunition box that doesn't make sense, anyway ammunition codes start with 'T'.

Is this marking stamped into the box or is it a label? Can we have a picture?. BTW mine has the markings painted on the top '120 TK' which I assume means 120mm anti-tank rounds ie for Wombat. So given the date of your box, I suspect there are a range of standard ammunition boxes that can take various sort of ammunition depending on the internal packaging.

Well I have just got back with all the items listed above back in the trailer. So not a good day from a sellers point of view, it was pleasant enough socially. I would have thought a few more people would have been tempted to take their MV for a first of the season outing.

Only took £27 but last time took about £150. So was it a bad move holding it on a Bank Holiday weekend?

Paul. So presumably its not chucking it down now. Does it look alright or are there lighter blotches? If there were no blotches it was pretty well dry when it rained if there are blotches it wasn't.

Another way to end up with light blotches is to leave a banana skin on the paintwork for a few days. I recently discovered this, so I suppose it could be useful if some touch-up paintwork was too dark, then plaster the area with banana skins.

I shall be there with Wolf + its new trailer full of goodies eg:

Solid wood guided missile

Fibre glass & plastic guided missile (Vigilant 891)

Vigilant 897 (in presentation box, unfortunately it is most of the bits from inside a Vigilant)

Launch box for Vigilant

Real Vigilant partly sectionalised to display

Nose from ENTAC

Set of 3 flourescent penthouse lights (250VAC)

Simulator for helicopter guided missile

Fuel pump for B60

Generator panel for 2-speed dynamo B60

Power supplies, signal generators, inductance bridge, capacity bridge.

Test bench power supply for image intensifiers

IR binoculars with 3 image convertor tubes

Very rare battery charger fitted to Rover RAF 3/4 Ton Ambulances

IED mirror on trolley (sometimes called a "pantyscope")

Selection of radio installation junction boxes etc

Loud hailer

Motoring Which? including the comparison of Land Rover, Champ & Gypsy

2 sets of TOBIAS intruder detectors with ground sensors

Doppler microwave intruder detector (Gunn oscillator in wave guide)

Various novelty items to fascinate the serious gentleman collector of military curiosities

I was contemplating forking out last year for this system, but the obstacle for me was not being able to see what I was getting. So I hope the following description of fitting it to a Humber Pig may be of help to others trying to decide.

Over the last 20 years I have used a number of electronic ignition systems commercial & homemade. I built a 24v system for a Lightweight Land Rover. I spent an awful lot of time pratting around & experimenting. Those days are over I do not have the time or the energy to mess around. The fear of breaking down in a slow moving & heavy vehicle on the motorway is something I have experienced too many times.

The Jolley system is I think the answer for me in improving engine efficiency & reliability. Now that I have got my hands on the thing & can appreciate the work that has gone into it.

This is the base plate that replaces the B60 base plate with the points. It has been made to high precision as it fits in very snuggly & permits the distributor to locate precisely. Once the old base plate is removed the weights can be checked & greased if dry.

The Jolley plate pushes in & is retained with the two original bolts & the condenser removed as it is no longer need.

I fiited a crimp connector to the black lead & bolted it to the lead coming in from the coil. I wanted to retain the original terminal just in case I ever wanted to revert back to the old points, just in case of module failure. I had already threaded the wire through a couple of rubber sleaves that were then pulled over the connection to insulate it. The plastic collar with the magnets was now pushed over the distributor shaft. It was a reassuringly precise firm fit.

The red 24+ ignition feed needs to come from the "R" lead from behind the ignition switch. I utilised the ventilation tube from the distributor where it is connected into the part that contained the condenser. First remove this tube from the distrubutor & the engine. There are two tubes that are mounted behind the top of the rear of the engine & they are not easy to undo. What I did was to slide a ring spanner from the undone end by the distributor, the get the ring spanner to engage the tube termination by the engine block. There will be enough turn to keep re-engaginging the ring to undo it. But there is not enough swing or access to use an open ended spanner. Having got this flexy tube off, feed the red wire through. Then make a small hole in the thin metal sheet into the cab & off to connection into lead "R". The red lead is not itself long enough so I just crimped on the piece of wire I cut off the black lead.

So it is hard to see that this has been modified & everything to casual eye looks original.

I found it rather depressing that on turning the engine over it didn't fire at all. I sat at midnight in the cold wondering why I had bought a thing that didn't work. After a few minutes it dawned on me that I had left the rotar arm off :oops: With this in place, when I turned it over it sprang it life like I have never heard it before with smooth & sustained power. Setting the timing by turning the distributor optimised this but even when set at totally the wrong setting there was still smooth running, with the old points on this timing it would be running erratically.

Not done a road test but initial results look encouraging.

Andy

I went to your site, yes I can see you have been busy. A lot of hard work been going on there. BTW that was a very nice close up of the 2/6 I have not seen before. I have studied the 2/6 at great length both in the IPL & at Bovy (although theirs has a glaring mistake) Eventually made some Vigilant bins & some Vigilants.

But if its so poorly advertised is it really worth going to?

No, it wasn't worth going to.

Only 8 sellers. Alright for milk churns and rusty tools & cast iron wheels for trollies. But that was about it, should have followed my initial instincts :evil:

Hello Andy, welcome. Can we see some pics of both of your vehicles? I do like British 50-60s things. 8)

Jagshemash

It is very happy time for you in U & K with happy birthday for you & queen. We too have happy time in village here as with queen who is nearly old as well, but he lie about his age I think, maybe a bit older? We have nice time with our own village people, but no cowboy or cop here! The cowboy are not like very much, this because cows are not very many & they not like men chasing.

Celebration here was for lunching of a new trouser drying machine. It make village all very proud to be as one in village and have warm trouser together. This special machine we buy on ebay from man in India, man say it part of British Empire machines that give world leader ship with trouser of strong resolve. I think like Mrs Thatch she has strong resolve trouser?

Cliv (boring man ha ha) say in Vocabulary of Army Ordnance Stores machine is KE/ 42, Apparatus, Warming, Trouser No.1 Mk 1. Was first one made & we now only one left! Soon we make it all work & soon have tourist visit to bring dollars to buy pepsis & pretty girls. We thought we have pretty girls come to see but they not turn up called Anna Fa-Laxis & Wendy Boatcumin. I think people try to make mock off me, which not very nice. So I try be nice to my wive instead. I also buy on ebay special shed for to go in when she has bad waters & gasses. Even the goat is pleased she now has her own shed, so goat have more friends round when he want for coffee mornings.

Is nice yes? you like one for your wive as well, it also stop some noises coming out! I give away her little secret!

Bye bye

Borat

I rang Salisbury Livestock Market today & yes, it is defintely on Sat 22nd. I shall be there in the Wolf, so I hope nobody beats me to the bits. Although we would all be looking for entirely different items, I imagine.

Larry. I think there are two main categories here.

1. A vehicle that is made into a variant of the same type or representing a different role or markings than original.

2. Then there are vehicles that are more for film work, re-enactors or novelty value. As long as these are sympathetically done to an authentic style, not a problem for me as long as they are clearly marked as such.

I think both categories should be upfront & state what has been done, then nobody is misled.

As for judging problems, I would abolish judging anyway. (That 'll cause some upsets) Some judges go to great lengths & time to make a decision. Other occasions there are judges who judge vehicles for which obviously know nothing about the chosen vehicle & award prizes to vehicles that are cringemakers to people who know about that type of vehicle.

One show I was at I marked my entry as 'not to be judged'. A judge asked me did I want to change my mind as there could be a prize in it for me. I still declined on the basis that I had not restored the vehicle, so what was the point?

I'm not thrilled at looking at 235 GBP for a complete one.

 

I should think not! £50 or max £60 is the going rate for a NOS one over here at a show. So watch out :roll:

Can you describe on this pic where you mean?

The Halon fire extinguishers 6BCF/4210-99-826-6758 & 6BCF/4210-99-881-5099 are banned under the Montreal Protocol to restrict certain ozone depleting chemicals. In the UK at least it is illegal to use them & now illegal to posses them. The implementation of this in the Army is in AESP 0200-A-194-013.

As far as warm water goes. Currently the six Somatu RCV9000 Belgian-made water cannon in service with PSNI, have computersised controls ensuring that the water is heated to 3-5 degrees centigrade. This is to avoid any injuries to the crowd due to hypothermia. Operators have been warned not to knock rioters off their balance as this could also cause injury. :?

I was told there was an autojumble at Salisbury on Sat 22 April, it was apparently in a classic tractor mag, but no other classic mags.

Been doing some googling, only hit was from a classic bike club that said it was Sun 23 April. Can't get any other leads from various permutations of search. Anyone know where & when its on?

But if its so poorly advertised is it really worth going to?

Jagshemash

Some people say good looking goat is not full goat, is not true. I have look underneath to check. He get embarrased & turn red as he think I am bad man!

But I am not, why should I? I have wive who look nicer than goat, well sometimes. I know it not like your Goat GS Mk 1, but it is more like the Goat (Airportable) Mk 2A, was specially bred for Spastinez forces, as easily carried in helicopter. When soldiers go they leave the goats behind. They very popular, many families have one to do many jobs around the house & for carrying shopping from the groceries collective. Some familes paint them with stripes, to make them go faster. But I don’t know if that really work or not.

Is like that (boring) Cliv tell me there in his books lists of special animals:

Mule, GS

Mule, Royal Artillery

Mule, Sapper & Miner & Class I Equipment

Mule, Class II Equipment

Mule, Army transport draught & 1st class

Mule, Army transport, 2nd class

Yes is true Cliv tell me is in 1933 book, you army have all these special mules. So what is wrong with a few different type of goat? So please no picking nits on my nice goat, he get very upset & stop laying me eggs for breakfast.

Yes he doos that often, we live near the nuclear factory that is only for making energy, not guns & sometimes it rain also make brown water in the village water tank. But government is telling true that it is OK & give us many jobs like Homer (can I say that word?) Simpson. Doooh! That really funny, where he think of making that word?

But it difficult to have bath if only brown water & my wive say I have do bad things in water! Is not true! It come from the rain at nuclear factory. But my wive say she like to float in bath, but I say to her she is more like “beached”, is that right word? Or maybe it is wrong word. Now she not talk or do anything else with me & I am in dogs house, is that what you say?

I think you have national holiday, we too! Here it is also national holiday, it anniversary of man who first invented cardboard box. Yes we dooed it here before rest of world. U&K history book say first cardboard box made in England in 1817. Is not true we make first cardboard box in 1227 by pheasant who live in street near here and Genghis Khan was so surprised he fell in box which why he is died. Why you in West always try to re-write history?

Bye bye, I go now & try write our song for sailors to sing for Eurovision.

Borat

It's got to be the SWD (Special Water Dispenser) for me, makes the Salamander look like a water pistol!

Mean or what? This baby can fire a bolt of water 1.5 inches diameter and 13 foot long driven from a pressure of 4000psi. Or it can go into drench mode. This was used by EOD but was originally intended for riot control. In tests it blew the flesh off sheep carcasses :twisted:

(There will be an article coming up, sometime!)

Jagshemash

My friends in U&K, I am very excite I think I maybe come to visit your peoples at Pubeck Rally, which is funny name for place, yes? Dorset have other places with even rude names I think, how censor let you do that? I hope come meet with the Cliv and his pig, maybe I also bring some animal but small to fit in luggage like our best looking goat. And maybe turn a few heads for the Dorset boys.

Is best looking goat, yes? He have his horn worn down a bit, but still know how to have a good time. Sorry grass now funny colour from mobile phone mast in corner of field. But is ok, government here tell us truth that it is all safe & minister allow his son to eat hamburger, which not actually made of ham.

I hope meet Sue, Jerry, Jock, Jessie the sheep, Ron 95 & older brother Ron 98. I maybe also meet Deaf Stan, who work for your defence standards. Karl like to meet him very much. Karl must travel with the womens who are not pretty on outside of bus, so he maybe a bit cold when he come. I like visit U&K and make me proud to be sort of ambassador, it make the hairs in my nostril stand firm when I think of coming there. Cliv say that rally give prize for best nostril hair & matching moustache. Maybe I win or maybe my wive win the prize! What is prize? Is it gallon of insecticide to spray my wive to stop her itching? Or is prize, a canvas bucket that can be dangle from behind?

I hope Jerry bring his air raid shelter and I make copy one to take home to keep rude boys out from Karls shed. Also Jerry do you bring tent again? They say Borat is like camels nose in tent. Once you invite nose of camel into tent it impossible to stop rest of camel coming in!

Cliv tell me there is big tent for beering & entertainment, what that to be? Dog shoot or pinning the donkey tail on the vicar like at village fete in Midsomer Murders? But what do village people think of all this murder, but village people have cop & red indian to stop murders maybe & help Bergerac. Yes we do have television here, only one channel which show not just figures for tractor production but also film from decadent west to show us that west is not all greener on the other side.

Cliv say he try do entry for me (can he say that?) but he fill in form to Sue. Difficult for me as we only have coupon for one crayon each month & Karl mistake crayon for medecine of the other end, I think.

Bye bye

Borat

What about all wearing a Borat moustache? Then we could go into competition with Monty Python who had a "Whicker Island" where all the inhabitants were Whicker impersonators. Or maybe we could have Churchill cigars or Himmler spectacles? Not keen on the purple, could give the wrong idea. When I was small my mother warned me to stay away from men with purple handkerchiefs.

Jack

That's excellent work, the climax of the restoration is when you go into the showground with it for the first time & heads turn to see what you have been working on. Well done. Always show the public pictures of what it was like before you started, I think they believe these vehicles just pop out of a crate!

There are UN stickers here:

http://www.emlra.org/C&S%20Barrow%20index/barrow_index.htm

Following further research into Commer trucks in Australia

A complication of Commer export figures is that the Humber FV1601 exported to Australia was designated the Commer FV1601.

Although don't forget that particular version of BSC101 should be a heat resisting specification as in:

H1 8010-99-943-4730

Jagshemash

My wive has made me humiliate, she take me shopping! My head is down in shame for me to be seen in groceries shed, my freinds laugh to me & say I must be weak & not a real man & perhaps Borat is importent. And even I am a la la man, as you say, yes? This is most not right to say as only once have I been in groceries shed before & that was on wedding day to buy my new wive a plastic washing up bowel. These was very much money to get a plastic one. The state issue ones are metal, which rust as the lead paint wear off & give my wive headache. But a wive with headache is like a GMC with no bucket, I think you say in U & K, yes? Or a goat with no saddle, perhaps?

But what is it she buy? To be nice to me she buy me goat satchel and some sheeps eggs. This make me feel strong again and man in my house. I also beat my wive, not like you think, but I beat her with table tennis. We only one table tennis bat, (as they are still rationed) & she have none, so I always win, well mostly of the time I do! She sometimes hit the ball with bits of her body which is a bit wide in places, maybe all over?

I am very excite I soon to be a millionaire, I think. I have chosed by nice email from a man in Africa who has had all of his parents die with millions of dollars from a cancelled U S & A contract. It is sad story that make moist in the eyes & my nostrile runny. So I have give the man about my bank detail and he will give me lots & lots of dollars to help him give away the money. It really make me proud to find the world is not full of lyers & cheats, but want be nice & give money to everybody. Dooes my friends in U & K want to send me detail of theirs bank accounts so I can give moneys to you my friends as well? But not yet any money come here, perhap is lost in post & he only put 4th class stamp. But that is 4th class stamp here like you have the same in U & K but called 1st class, silly name I think.

If you do tell me I will let you have special herbal remedy. I also buy lots of this on the email, it seem very cheap but I am not sure what it remedy for. The goat say is it to make my bucket hang proud from my GMC. But I don’t have one of each. GMC is banned as not Soviet lorrys & buckets are only allowed two per house unless you have more than two wifes who make waters too much.

Bye bye

Borat

John

I think the set up is analogous to say a relay that is activated by a 24 volt supply but is capable of switching a 24 volt or a 12 volt supply. It is just coincidence that the switched circuit is derived from the power that also powers the 'switch'.