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Ok, what's this?

Yes I like all that secret stuff, just had a rebrouse of the site, mention of Orange Yeoman & Yellow River. I have a large trailer which was a simulator for Yellow River. A useful site for uncoding all those Ministry of Supply spectrum codes is:

http://www.skomer.u-net.com/projects/start.htm

There are a few errors but it is a diificult subject to cover.

BTW my nom de plume FV1620 was originally intended as an Orange William launcher rather than Malkara.

Just what I was doing before without work or the phone interupting

RETIRED?

 

Yes not retard

Ashley. thank you for coming back. If nobody came back then I reckoned it was't worth going. I think I might well hitch up the cipher trailer & head on down considering I retired today I need to unwind :clap:

I have a few bits & bobs to dispose of.

Not been for several years because of clash with GDSF.

Do many people go especially on the saturday?

Can we just camp in vehicle like we used to?

Can we just bring a little bit to sell or are there strict pitch payments?

Ok well lets wrap it up then, not Iraq it was Pakistan.

Promotional item, yes. Not a pencil sharpener, but I do have one in the form of a small penknife with VIGILANT stamped on one side & an image of the missile on the other. This missile was mounted on the side of an ashtray that would be given to a minister of defence/procurement dept etc.

Jagshemash

Having a partytime soon & invite for nice totty. i have state made vodka & insecticide but wanting to spicey it up a bit, i hear many of dorset boys use prestone 44 has very nice effect. It make you happytime like vodka but no mr softee, so everyone is happy including my wive. Always i wonder bill gates why do they call him mr microsoft, is not nice thing to know, so big yet so small!

May bee mr hardy drink prestone 44? He has very nice monument, lots of people go to see & admiration. But why has to be 44, was it the best year, may bee jack tell me, it seems to keep him so looking young? So may bee is expensive? Perhaps I buy some if i cume to warren pees show.

May bee i swap for a not like much member of my family. But not Filo, my kid brother, i am very proud of him aged 16, is now grow moustage. But not so proud of my sister who start grow moustage, is not right i think. She is only 11 & her older friend Candida still has no moustage. But she has a bit of a haired chin, but no hair lip yet.

But she has inconsinenance problem can be very embrrassing, special trouser will be very useful for her to keep it secret is something like her mother wares but you need keep changing shoes much of times.

Anyway I go now & do fix of football match. I have 20,000 applicators for to give referee then I go & see manager & give him bung bung. Is just like being in U&K?

Chenque

Yes is nice I see you dans voiture domestique, I have a flasher ici pour vous, non is not like you think, il est une 24 volt flasher, you like buy? Also have ici une autre mirror IED appele "le pantyscope" voulez vous achetez?

Here it is with a Bardic.

One to the west - might this be America??

Yup in 1959 the USMC were going to buy it & a version was to be made under licence by the aerospace company Clevite. I have what could be the only Clevite launchbox in the world. It was evaluated by the British Army & you can see the original pencil markings used in the construction of the launchbox.

I'd better call it a launching box otherwise it sounds posh speak for a lunch box :lol: Anyway for some reason it all fizzled out.

Now the country to the east sent representatives over here but on the pretext of manufacture under licence. The fear was that it was just a cover to get ideas & they were discouraged from contact with the development scientists as scientists don't think in terms of finance or politics but like to boast of their achievements. A particular problem for any wire guided ATGM was wire snatch at launch. What was that country, anyone?

Not many left, Israel and Syria?

Yup it was Israel, they know a thing or two about weapons to defend themselves & recognised the value of Vigilant early on. It seems a shame that the British Army had such difficulty in appreciating its potential as they rejected it twice! When it was finally accepted instead of using as intended as a man portable weapon they stuck it on a Ferret. I have heard both sides of the argument having been in contact with the man responsible for rejecting it & a man from the Vickers Vigilant sales team who provided me with the minature missile.

HMG refused to allow sales ofl Vigilant to Israel as we were trying to sell tanks to the Arabs & sales would be lost if an effective anti-tank guided weapon was sold to their potential opponents. We had no problems selling Vigilant to:

Kuwait 1961

Saudi Arabia 1964

Libya 1965

British Army 1965 (final & eventual acceptance)

Finland 1963

There were two other countries that wanted to use it & manufacture it under licence. One to the east & one to the west any ideas?

I retract my earlier response about Saudi Arabia they bought them in 1964. Another Middle Eastern country bought Vigilant in 1961 & another in 1965.

If you get those countries you may see the pattern emerging about the earlier ban. The mystery country had been using the inferior French SS10 which they had used in action & wanted something better.

Sorry Neil, no, no & no.

Well there were three production missiles, the Vickers Type 891, 897 & 889. This is a model of a Type 897.

Any ideas as to what this decorative item was originally fixed to?

Vigilant was a very advanced missile for its time (velocity controlled) & superior to the foreign stuff that was on the market (acceleration controlled). This was recognised by a Middle Eastern country that was keen to buy. HMG blocked all sales to the Middle East. What was that country, anyone know?

Oh I haven't had mine yet.

That was not to imply any criticism of the MVT team for late appearance of the mag. I live off a non-tarmac lane and postal deliveries are erratic. Normal delivery time these days is 1400. For several days there will be no post, then suddenly a lot of mail appears, strange that :?

Vigilant missile

Yes well done! But what type of Vigilant? There were 3 production models.

is it for wind tunnel tests

No nothing as intricate as that related to a more odious activity

So here it is:

It is a silver plated minature not a working weapon.

What weapon is it a minature of?

Why has it been made? Not a pen or paperweight but good idea.

These figures were out of the RR manual and Power EMER. From a PM Lee sent me earlier in the week, he thought he was getting around 18 volts.

As I said it could vary with the type of meter, but I get 20 volts.

It will also depend on the coil because the No.1 Mk 2 resistance is 3.1-3.5 ohms, whereas the No.1 Mk 2/1 is 4.25-4.65 ohms. I can't find voltage readings in the RR book or EMERs but I would imagine if they are quoting a voltmeter to read as low as 12-16 volts with the engine running then it must be with the No.1 Mk 2. As this has lower resistance it will draw more current that will cause a bigger voltage drop across the resistors than the higher resistance coil. Doing a bit of scribbling & by ohms law there could be a difference of 2 volts applied to the coil depending on type. But it still seems a very low figure considering the voltmeter is average the reading from full volts to dropped volts. I wonder were they actually using a moving coil meter or was it a thermal voltmeter which is very slow in response & I would have thought in the circumstances might tend to give a lower 'averaged' reading?

Is it a minituare replica of a Swingfire ?Richard

Ummmmh, no.

Your clue on cufflinks could mean it is some weird invention to come out of Chobham or that it is some kind of joint?Richard

In that's smaller than the real thing.

"Also the voltage given to the coil when running should be between 12 and 16 volts."

This could vary with the type of meter you have. Assuming fully charged batteries. When the points are open you will read 28 volts, there will be no voltage drop as the the coil & hence the resistors are carrying no current. When the points close it with draw about 3.5 amps causing the voltage drop to 14 volts. When the engine is running the voltage is flipping from 14 volts to 28 volts. The moving coil meter will not be able to flicker up & down quick enough so it will hover & give a reading of 21 volts. Sort of mechanically averaging between 14 & 28 volts. Sometimes people have been caught out wondering why despite the resistors that the coil is seemingly running off 21 volts. It isn't but that is what the meter suggests.

Goodness know what a digital meter would make of it!

Is it a model of a Malkara missile?

Very good, but no.

Neil there was a thread last year about this on:

http://forum.emlra.org/viewtopic.php?t=417

Thanks Clive!! Don't suppose you've got a copy of the Sect 1 through 4 part have you, that can be scanned???

These people do reprints of most of the documents to carry:

http://www.emlra.org/C&S%20Barrow%20index/barrow_index.htm

I have got some REME inspection forms somewhere (forgotten the official designation). I made myself unpopular by filling them in indicating the vehicle was condemned & sticking them on vehicles at a show once. I've got a wad of them somewhere, but don't worry I can't reach up to your windscreen.