draganm

thanks for sharing, great story. Sad that brave young man didn't survive his imprisonment.

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His plane, Spitfire AA810, is to be restored and flown again.

not sure what part of this will " fly again" though? maybe the data tag?

so i think all would agree that WW2 stuff is to the moon, deep pockets and risk taking are just a part of it now.  So what would would a savvy collector do today to get ahead of the price curve?

   My thought is cold-war stuff.  This was a significant event in our lifetimes, maybe even eventually proving to be just as important in shaping the modern world as WW2.  It brought the end of the Soviet empire, created the (you could argue ) failed experiment of the EU zone,  will probably soon result in the collapse the American empire, and from the cold ashes of the cold-war we will in our lifetimes probably see what replaces it (well hopefully).

Seems like cold-war collectors are few and far between though. Are these guys ahead of the curve? Will we see the days when a nice T55 or M60 brings a million dollars? I think likely yes

what do you guys think?

11 hours ago, terryb said:

trouble is, militaria will go the same way as the housing market-after years of tv programs showing 'look how I can make wads of cash toshing over this house' leaves us with the average youngster having no chance of a home.

yes but i can't blame all of that on TV either. I could have bought muscle cars in the 1980's for  around a thousand dollars that are worth tens of thousands today, even if i had done nothing but park them

     being at the right place, at the right time, and having the money and foresight is a tough combo to get right.

watched S4-E4 last night, pretty good episode. they visit Samur, go hunting for Pz I parts, and visit the Panther Maybach being rebuilt in the Czech republic.  That was really cool, they found a valve inside that had been sabotaged by slave labor and view a book of the names of the people who had been forced-labor in the factory.

I understand the complaints about the cheesy aspects of the show, i really do, but for me hard to hate the show  when you get all these little genuine gems in between the hogwash

 

 

On 11/14/2018 at 4:14 AM, AmmoMan said:

The gun barrel holding up the barn roof was pretty cool.

I liked that one too, really a shame to remove it and put it on a vehicle IMHO.  The whole thing, rafter, chunk of floor etc. would be really cool in a museum though. You don't see too many swords  pounded back into plowshares

On 11/11/2018 at 7:51 AM, FW200 said:

Thanks for all the replies! I think the Ukrainian T-34/76 is a bit out of reach (though very cool to see!)..

I've mailed them with the options I've found so far, including the eBay link

out of reach physically or monetarily?  1.4 million Hrivny is  about 44K Euro's.

T34/76 are are pretty rare outside of Russia/Bellarus, wonder how hard it would be to get that one out?you'd probly need at least another $10K in your pocket just to bribe your way thru checkpoints

found this today and maybe it's helpful. It implies that getting miltaria out of Russia is more difficult, you have to prove " no cultural significance", they say Ukraine is better but Chech republic is best?

lots of links to explore id embedded in the article

https://www.rbth.com/defence/2017/04/26/how-to-buy-an-old-soviet-tank-for-the-price-of-a-fancy-car_750701

Interesting that folks who despise the show are now following the 4th season? ;)

I thought the French resistance was  one of the better episodes, especially when they showed the perfectly preserved SS helmet with original camo. They could have fawned on about it's value, but pointed out it was sized for a teenage boy. That the Germans fed their kids into the war machine at the end.

 If memory serves , They visit the site of the Maillé massacre. I do agree that the the show is a terrible place to count rivets though

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On the evening of August 24, 1944, skirmishes between the French Forces of the Interior (FFI) and German troops took place near a farm in the commune of . Gustave Schlüter, commander of the German control post at Sainte-Maure-de-Touraine, mobilized his men and two train-mounted artillery pieces (Chevereau & Forlivesi, 2005; Delahousse, 2008; Payon, 1945; Lieb, 2007).

The next morning, Maillé was closed off by German forces. One artillery piece was destroyed by the attacking RAF. The first farms were then set on fire and their residents killed. About noon, the SS entered the village and the systematic killing began. Some wounded who had pretended to be dead were later shot down when they attempted to escape (Chevereau & Forlivesi, 2005; Delahousse, 2008; Payon, 1945).

About 1:00 pm the artillery bombardment began, demolishing the village and any who might have survived the initial onslaught. The soldiers were also there to ensure that survivors were shot on sight. By late afternoon calm returned, and the few survivors could only look upon the spectacle with sadness. The intervention of abbot André Payon was needed so that they could leave to take shelter in neighboring villages.

In less than four hours, entire families were slaughtered by the Waffen SS, many of whose soldiers were only 16 and 17 years old (Chevereau & Forlivesi, 2005; Delahousse, 2008; Payon, 1945).

 

 

On 9/19/2018 at 4:39 PM, dogtags said:

Thanks for the positive ID. What would something like this be worth? I understand prices over there do not necessarily reflect prices over here, but it would be nice to have a rough estimate.

~Robert

surprising that one in " museum condition" sold for only 700 quid 5 years ago. I would have expected more? Were these used throughout London during the Blitz?

http://www.silverstoneauctions.com/1938-coventry-climax-fsm-type-series-2-fire-trailer

On 7/24/2018 at 10:31 AM, MatchFuzee said:

I wonder, how many DUKWs sank inWW2 because of the sea conditions and how many were destroyed by enemy action.

I know of only one that went down specifically because of possibly rough water / bad weather , but really the primary cause seems to be over-loading. 24 soldiers with their gear + a 75mm cannon? Wow

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2416371/Italian-Lake-Garda-hold-remains-24-drowned-US-WWII-solders.html

This story in Missouri is especially sad because as someone else mentioned, this just keeps happening. Someone sent that vehicle out into an oncoming storm, and is criminally responsible IMHO.

man these things are now all over russia, one even got an airplane ride over 7 time zones. Russian must be nostalgic for the good old days when the USA wasn't run by lunatics 

 

http://siberiantimes.com/other/others/news/73-years-late-an-american-tank-sent-to-stalin-is-almost-ready-for-first-mission-on-russian-soil/

very good news.

FB is better than nothing but really it sucks , not a true replacement for a dedicated web-site with hi-rez photos and a nice lay-out.

  it's  time, their old web-site was last updated 10 years ago.

 

for anyone interested, the Paul Allen collection seems to be growing in leaps and bounds too, although nowhere near KW's at this time

 

I fab small things all the time but things on this scale, in a garage no less, are just amazing.

here's a little inspiration from some guys who do PzII Luch's to order 

Panzer II 20mm Kanon.mp4

 

 

looks like mr. Phillips has his stug on Milweb . A little surprising, but it will be interesting to see where it goes and even more so what he decides to  restore next

http://www.milweb.net/webvert/a2998/92824

looks like they got at least 3 from this latest effort, maybe 4 .  AFA ownership, any military vehicle recovered in Russia, or Russian territorial waters,  is property of the government.  In this case, it's their Navy doing the recovery.

Must not be too rusty if they could spin the turrets around.

amazing to think those shermans were brand new when the ship was torpedoed. They basically went from the factory to the sea-floor. supposedly 32 in total, so 29 still down there.  I wonder how many more they will winch up, but in 2015 when they pulled up the first one,   story said there were 2 more that "could be recovered"?

 here's the first one

 

If it's an it's an Iron block and Iron heads (which it appears to be), then as long as you have the Camshaft, crank,  and connecting rods it's useable.  Remaining mechanical parts can be made within a reasonable cost, at least reasonable in terms of Uber-rare historic MV terms.

 one concern is carburetors/fuel and ignition system,   is any of that stuff there?

 

grandson of Henry Meadows, John Meadows,  appears to still be around,  there's a site dedicated to some goofy little car called the "frisky" built by Meadows in the 60's.  Maybe a place to check for leads on CAV12 parts? 

http://www.meadowsfrisky.co.uk/page3.htm

Coventanter ! , another one?

The Valentine was a helluva project, no idea these things were so complicated, here's a quick before and after to wrap it up

August 2015

May-2017

I just read up on the history of Meadows, never heard of them before but they were such an important player in engine design and production for  half a century.  Based on what I could find the 16 liter DAV 12 cylinder was designed specifically as a tank engine? Today a flat-12 cylinder is pretty much standard MBT propulsion, does anyone know  if Meadows design was the first to do this? If  so it would be a pretty important historical piece in and of itself.

 

  hopefully you can restore it? Other than the blown-off vale-cover on one side and knackered valve gear, how bad is the rest , have you had a chance to go deeper?

The Covenanter though, what a strange machine. Hard to imagine they made 1,700 of these things and only 4 or 5 left in the world.  Rick this might be the rarest vehicle you'll ever own!

the parts are crudely cast, looks like a sand casting. Some kind of steam valving, maybe spare parts for the ship. Not necessarily the Engine, but since it used a triple expansion engine, maybe low pressure waste steam used to heat the ship?  The square end looks like it could hold reed valves (check valves).

 

 

I think this type of ban stems from the fear that countries such as Germany, Japan and so on have, that their history may repeat itself if not kept under tight check.

This is something that we (by which I mean British people) will never truly understand as we do not carry that fear in our national psyche.

 

- MG

that's what I thought at first too, but at 2nd glance, is the 2nd coming of Hitler/Mussolini really the most worrying possible future development for the European populace or Italian government? I can think of a few far more dangerous outcomes.

 

I think what it comes down to is Italy simply putting forth a politically correct front to protect it's Tourist Industry, the so-called " service industry" , employs 3 out of 4 people, and having people selling Nazi symbols on the beach is not helpful. As someone pointed out earlier, it's an interesting contradiction from all the "Soviet Union nostalgia" you see for sale in greater parts of Eastern Europe and Russia.

 

At any rate, I don't see Italian police kicking down doors and raiding private collections like they do in Germany. Folks will just need to remain discreet with their stuff , which is typical anyway. Most collectors are caught in this interesting paradox where they want to share their collection with the world but rightfully fear a backlash / unfair judgement of being " Nazi revisionists/revivalists" , when in fact this element is a tiny minority IMO.

not clear if this will affect historic artifacts like helmets, swords, daggers, flags etc. but if it does then we could be seeing a surge of that stuff on the market coming from Itlay as collectors are forced to get rid of their items

 

https://www.rt.com/news/403233-italy-law-fascism-souvenirs/

the frame and suspension look fantastic

 

Are you making your own castle-nuts on the mill?

I was talking to a neighbour over the Bank Holiday weekend who had just come back from a month in Germany working with a colleague who owns a Tesla S. The trick apparently isn't to charge the battery overnight but to keep it topped up by "sipping" through the day when stopping for lunch or a cup of coffee. With the Tesla "supercharger" that's very effective for someone doing a lot of mileage on relatively short trips, especially as the charging is free for the life of the car. You do, of course, need the infrastructure to do so.

 

Andy

that sounds like a huge PITA, on top of traffic, planning your trip, making appointments, etc. you now have to worry about charging stations along the way every day! just couldn't do it :-( I don't carry a cell phone for just that reason, it's like a tether , an electronic device that controls me instead of serving me

IMO an acceptable EV would be one I charge twice a week, Like Thursday night and Sunday night. I commute 54 miles a day, so the new Leaf with 235 mile range would fill that requirement quite nicely. I hope my next commuter car is an EV, hopefully one that still has a brake pedal

every time I have to do an oil change, which is quite often as we both drive a lot, I dream about saying goodbye to the oil , the filters, the disposal of old oil, all that. It's fine for a hobby vehicle, boats, off-road, MV, etc. but tired of oil and gas for every day use

I replied to this before I saw Teletech's post but yeah, this article is pretty full of holes. I wouldn't be one bit surprised if A lot of this stuff is put out by the Petroleum industry. I also don't believe they will ban petrol , but it could become harder to get. The market will drive it, if 9 out of 10 cars drive by the station what's to keep that business open? Only so many sodas and bags of pretzels you can sell in a day, and people only buy those after they stopped for fuel

 

 

As we are on the subject, a few weeks ago an overseas friend sent the following, I think it originated in North America:

 

The Electric car boondoggle

 

I always wondered why we never saw a cost analysis on what it actually costs to operate an electric car. Now we know why.

At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC Hydro executive. I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious. If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, he pointed out, you had to face certain realities. For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service.

they certainly don't. A 30 amp outlet is standard, it can accept a 75amp for the "super charge " feature which rams the battery full in 2 or 3 hours. I don't think many buyers opt for this feature simply because the cost of running 75 amp to a garage would be tremendous,

 

 

 

The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than 3 houses with a single Tesla, each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded.

I don't know about over there, but any new home here is now built with central heating and air conditioning, 150 to 200 amps is standard . You could plug in 2 Teslas into dual 30amp outlets in literally every house at night when there is excess charging capacity and it wouldn't make a dent in the power available

 

 

 

This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles ... Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load. So as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy the damn things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive, new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system! This latter "investment" will not be revealed until we're so far down this dead-end road that it will be presented with an oops and a shrug.

I don't know why this is missed as it's an obvious point, but Ecars get charged at night. There is so much excess capacity at night that some Hydroelectric plants here use that power to pump water back upstream

 

The gasoline powered car costs about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000........So the American Government wants loyal Americans not to do the math, but simply pay 3 times as much for a car, that costs more than 7 times as much to run, and takes 3 times longer to drive across the country.....

not sure what new car you can get over there for $15K, here even a new Fiat is $17K.

The new Nissan Leaf is £21,680 for the 24kWh model. That's about $27,400. , same as any new mid size sedan. goes 245 miles on a charge too :red:

I have an old P38, it was built from thre vehicles considered beyond economic repair. So I've saved the enviromental cost of one new vehicle, plus reduced through re cycling the environmental cost of scrapping two others. And you tell me that's not Enviromentally friendly?.

absolutely true Tony, making any new vehicle consumes an absurb amount of energy. I read a figure somewhere that if your going from a typical 25 to 30mpg gallon sedan to an EV, you would need ot drive the EV something like a million miles before the energy savings balance out. The most environmentally friendly thing you can do is keep an old car on the road, simple as that.

Generation is also a problem, wind doesn't blow much at night and the sun certainly doesn't shine. But if we can generate clean during the day and only use fossil at night, that would be a good change no?

 

Presumably this rush to electrification will accelerate falling oil revenues, have they thought this one through up there?

Ah maybe it will still be used but in oil fired power stations to meet the extra demand to charge up the cars? :wow:

don't worry, there are and will be plenty of things that will only work by burning fuel. Airplanes for instance, you will never get a 767 off the ground on electricity. International Ocean freight is probly another, oh and the most important one of all, no Main battle tank will ever charge into the fray on a battery :-D

 

Coincidence ? Nicola Sturgeon - yesterday Nissan announced the 'new' model battery Leaf that goes a greater distance on a full battery charge (I recall watching a documentary on the original battery Leaf claims). Of course NS didn't mention her Sunderland origins - the days propaganda opportunity the two words Scotland + Scottish. Always makes me laugh , you don't hear Theresa Mary banging-on England + English (probably too much to fit in Wales & Northern Ireland too).

holy crap, they even took out the brake pedal

 

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/142169-new-nissan-leaf-unveiled-improved-design-more-power-and-235-mile-range

The Scammell in the video is an R100 Pioneer gun tractor used with heavy artillery rather than the SV/2S recovery tractor though........

good eye Simon, we know that train-loads of French and Czech vehicles were shipped East for Barbarosa, not hard to imagine Scammells from Dunkirk going along. I read a figure of 65,000 vehicles abandoned by BEF (Book: British Military Trucks in Wehrmacht Service - Tankograd)