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  1. Hi Tim, I've got what I need re the Battery boxes just want to see the actual cells that went inside the boxes. Are you aware of any web sites that show these? Pete
  2. Hi Spencer54, thanks for those images and the info, I had seen these configurations before and I think I have a copy of War Illustrated from 1944/45 that has an article a two page, centre spread, drawing of a White in this configuration. I am fast coming to the conclusion that removal of the Roller was commonplace on British configurations whilst still being retained in some roles, quite what they were is still a mystery though! Tim, thanks for the answers mate. I've got a good understanding of the Battery box but would love to see a couple photos of an original battery. Do you have any, or can you link me to one on the net...I've been searching but haven't yet turned up a good photo of a battery...although admittedly I'm not 100% certain of what I'm looking for so I may already have seen it 😉 Pete
  3. Found the dims for the WS 19 wooden battery box over on the WS 19 web site. But would like to know, Tim, what you think about removal of forward stowage locker and replacement with the No.18 Battery mount?
  4. Tim, Did you ever track down the dims for the Battery Carrier. Secy Port No. 18 for the WSC? Or better pics/drawings of it? I presume that they removed the entire stowage locker, between driver and passenger seat, and replaced it with this carrier, or did the carrier fit inside the stowage box? Can you provide dims for the two wooden battey boxes that were used, these were the 6v x 170 Ah, right? Also, do you have any dims for Mounting Brackets No.2 and No. 3 for the Aerial Bases?
  5. Re Pip Roberts' WSC, there's a nice bit of film of him in his WSC on the IWM website. It shows enough of the WSC to see that it seems to sport the standard British mods as shown in the photos above. Waiting to hear back from the Library at Bovington to see if they have any info on his WSC, or WSC's in general. That said, on Facebook I've found a PDF copy of an article by David Fletcher, which appeared in the MVPA publication, 'Supply Line', dated November 2014. Article is mostly concerned with the WSC in British use and, surprisingly, it doesn't contain the photos posted earlier in this thread which seem to show the standard British layout; and Fletcher himself seems a bit vague on what constitute the standard British layout which probably means he was unsure because none of this info is held at Bovi Library. C'est le vie! Pip Roberts video at IWM is below, I taken a few stills from this. and they've proved useful https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/1060019769
  6. Tim, thanks for those photos mate, absolutely cracking and have a answered a few questions about these Combat rims! I've been searching on IWM on search strings "White" AND "Scout Car" and have been specifically targeting the film/video clips they have on line. It's amazing what is coming up in these old clips and nearly all the Whites I'm seeing, in NW Europe, 44-45, have the same mods as Z 4955336 above! I'm pretty happy that I've tracked down the mods for the WSC in NW Europe and I think I've found the full census number for Pip Roberts WSC as well (which, if anyone is curious, may well be Z 4955321). I'd love to know what his wireless setup was and if it was the same as the one of the standard WS 19 ones as listed in that pamphlet shown above. Incidentally, Rob Van Meel does a reprint of that pamphlet. Pete
  7. Hi Tim, could you post a pic of your spare wheel, front and rear of hub area? Pete
  8. Tim, it looks to me like this is just a couple of pieces of angle-iron, held together with cross members and bolted to the back of the WSC. The two upper cross members are obviously designed so as to not foul access to the two rows of footman loops on the back end. Those appear to be two wooden blocks, bolted to the bottom angle iron, to act as wheel rests. It doesn't look like a very complicated thing to make and anyone with welding gear could knock this up just by eyeballing it from these photos.
  9. OK, so after a abit of hunting around I have turned up the following images which seem to show the standard British conversions for the White Scout Car. From what I can see in the two photos below... 1.) removal of passenger side headlight and fitting of standard British side light. On Driver's side replacement of US headlight for Hooded British light and British side light. 2.) Removal of unditching Roller 3.) Fitting of Wing Mirrors; and something else I can't quite make out, on the passenger side, just in front of the Wing mirror. 4.) Also top of the cage, protecting head lights, cut away. 5.) This WSC has retained the Skate rail although we do know that it was removed in some others, notably Pip Robert's WSC which we started this thread with. Mods so far seem to accord wit configuration of Robert's WSC. 6.) There does not appear to be any US tools fitted so wonder if indeed they did come with the tools, or if it was intended to replace them with Standard GS Tools? 7.) Bridge Classification plate fitted to passenger side bumperette 8.) The WSC appears to be painted SCC 2 Brown, with a camo pattern overpaint SCC 14 Blue/Black Disruptive 9.) The tilt also looks as though it's been re-painted / re-coloured. 10.) On the rear of the WSC the Bumper has been removed 11.) Rear lights re-configured. Drivers side moved all the way to bottom of plate but Passengers side possibly left in situ or side moved up above where Bumper would have been. Differnt style of mountings for both lights 12.) On drivers rear side there is padlocked cage for mounting what appears to be 3 x Flimseys and I think this was later modified to take Jerrycans. 13.) On the passengers side a mounting, made from basic angle iron, for a spare wheel. The Third photo show a WSC of the Czech Brigade entering Prague on May 5th, 1945. I believe these chaps may have been equipped by the British for, at the very least, the mods to their WSC's are very similar. Fourth photo is a zoom in on the spare wheel rack on photo 3. Would like to know what folks think? Pete
  10. Packhow75, would you be interested in this... https://www.portrayalpress.com/product-p/bsd-m3a1sc.htm or this one... https://www.portrayalpress.com/product-p/ord 789-g67.htm
  11. Have also just turned-up this drawing, not sure where it came from though. (have just discovered where this drawing is from and new image added below).
  12. Thanks for those pics, some of them I've seen already but a few I have not, so all very useful. Thanks for taking the time to post them. I've found some images of an Airborne Configuration for the WSC which I shall attach here, as a means of keeping all this info together for others, alongside another photo of a British WSC in Normandy... I think my next port of call will be Bovington to see what info they have on Pip Roberts WSC.
  13. According to the link provided by Matchfuzee this isn't a type a of Zimmerit paste on these Cromwells but 'Rubber Strips', I'd like to know the provenance of that assertion because those stills would seem to indicate a paste rather than 'rubber strips', although I concede I may be seeing what I want to see. When I first saw this footage I wondered if this Recce unit had over-run a German Maintenance unit and grabbed whatever stores of Zimmerit paste that were laying to hand. I think I'd like to see the war diaries for 2nd Northants to see if there's any reference to this.
  14. First Still, not sure which Cromwell but from 2 trp Second Still shows Achilles Third Still Shows Agamemnon Last two stills show Galahad
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  19. Found a wee bit of footage on IWM which shows several Cromwells from, what I believe to be, C Sqn, 2nd Northants Yeomanry, Troops 1 and 2. All of them are sporting some form of Zimmerit on the Turret. There are at least three indentifiable Cromwells; Achilles T187676 and Agamemnon T187714 (from 1 Trp) and Galahad from 2 Trp (no Census #). Seems as though naming their tanks after ancient warriors was a thing for C Sqn and 1 Troop appears to be all names beginning with A so we can probably assume 2 Trp had a Cromwell named Gwain. Link below...Have grabbed some stills from this and will try to upload them to the post. Lookout for the ant-magnetic wainscotting in the last couple of frames, 😉 https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/1060008139
  20. Hi All, looking for pointers on whatever mods\configs were made to the WSC when in British use, especially for NW Europe in 1944. Have had a look around the forum and can't find anything definitive? Ideally, if anyone's got a pointer to a book, or file at the National Archives etc. which covers this topic I'd be most interested to hear of it. I can see from period pics that in some instances the skate rail was removed completely, Pip Roberts Command version of the WSC being a good example. Incidentally does anyone know the full Census number for Roberts WSC, from the famous pic it looks to be Z 495533? Anyone confirm or deny? Also, what radios other than the WS 19 would Roberts have had in the back of his WSC. The following bit of film shows several attennae...and a spare wheel on the back. Any ideas? https://fa9e73e865f29caec390-2a80cf171f3b8b56b3a148be08287271.ssl.cf3.rackcdn.com/0x060A2B340101010201010F1213000000E51D7F0E9FEBE2390000B4B52F563190.mp4 Also, any info on the WSC in RE use? I think they also used them in the Recce / Radio role and I have a note from the RE office who scouted the Bailey bridge build for Putanges in 1944. His diary notes that he took two WSC's with him and left one on the hill outside of town as his rear radio link. Anyone aware of anything specific about RE configurations of the WSC?
  21. Thanks Adrian, yeah wasn't a pleasant experience but it just confirmed what I already know to be true, that I'm far to old for heavy lifting and far too young to be gardening! I only get involved in Gardening because the wife talks in her sleep and she tends to say things about me being a lazy arse git and not helping enough in the garden and you know how powerful a motivator guilt can be. if it wasn't for that I'd as soon just ignore the damn thing! The plan was to have most of it laid to lawn with a few beds to keep the old girl distracted...sadly the Rotavator was having none of it that day! Have a copy of Son of Sherman here and working through it, trying to cherry pick what I need without reading it all from cover to cover, if you know what I mean. Been looking over the TNA archives for Sherman stuff and there are a few files on the subject, with drawings, next time I'm up I shall endeavour to copy a few of them and see what they tell us. I've never really tried to bone up on Sherman variants until now and I have total admiration for anyone who has. Just getting a particular type of Sherman down is not enough. I have found a pic on IWM which shows, what appears to my untrained eye, and M4A2 with the type of Hatch hoods, above the Glacis plate, that I am looking for. This tank is clearly in use in NW Europe in 1944...now all I have to do is find a tank with these hoods and a different gun mantlet and so it goes on. Consistency would have been nice, c'est le vie THE BRITISH ARMY IN NORMANDY 1944. © IWM (B 6167) IWM Non Commercial License
  22. John, thanks for those photos mate, they're fantastic. I've now got a much better idea of this area. Adrian, thanks for the tip re the idler brackets. Haven't yet got to the point of trying to understand various types of suspension yet but I think that my second photograph (see above) of the French M4A2 demonstrates your point exactly. Hadn't really noticed that detial until you pointed it out, so thanks a lot for that! By way of explanation of what I am up to, I am laid up at the moment having lost a fight with a Rotavator hell bent on chopping off my right foot. Put the damn thing in neutral, as I turned it by a stone wall, only for the linkage to skip forward into reverse and the damn thing jumped back on me (why do they always go much faster in reverse). Anyways, it pinned me against the wall, handle under my rib cage and pushing me higher up the wall whilst I tried to keep my feet on the ground and wrestle it under control, but I'm now too old for that kind of nonsense and it was winning before I realised I was still gripping the dead man's handle too tight. By the time I regained enough sense to hands-off it had my right ankle pinned and was beginning to chew up my boot! Sharp edge of the cover plate did bite into the bone though so ankle is kind of buggered right now, but will be serviceable again.... if I can be persuaded to stay off it for a bit!! So with nothing to do but watch TV (I'd rather cut my wrists) I decided to get down the large 1/6th scale plastic model kit of the Sherman M4A3 that Dragon released a few years back. This thing is bloody huge and I wouldn't have bought it except for the fact that the supplier was selling it off, (on the Net late at night, the bastard) at a ridiculously low price and I had a couple over my regular allotment of vino! It's been laying in the rafters of my Garage for years so now seems the perfect time to tackle it. Of course I don't want a US tank (no offence to the cousins across the pond) I want something that was used by our lot in Normandy, so I'm investigating the possibility of back-porting it to an M4A2. So far, the lower hull is a straightforward thing to do, with absolutely minimal modding. The upper Hull will require a bit of judicial cutting to remove and replace the Glacis plate and perhaps some of the front deck detail. But that's a relatively easy thing to do...I think. The engine grill on the rear deck needs looking at too but as this is already a separate piece it shouldn't need any cutting of the existing deck plates in this area. I'm leaning towards the FTA type Hatch hoods as they are squared and easier to fabricate, just need to track down some evidence that these were seen in British use in NW Europe and with which units (I think 8th and 27th Armd Brigade's fielded Sherman III's in NW Europe but need to research that further). If this isn't doable then I'll have to go the more common type Hatch hoods which will require a bit more skill in fabricating! Outside of that I also need to find evidence of Sherman III's in British service that use the M34A1 Gun mounts for the 75mm and then of course there's the loaders hatch in the Turret to deal with. All-in-all there's a wee bit of work in making it come out as a Sherman III but I don't think any of it is impossible...Just need to finish the research before I can be 100% happy that it's worth doing. I've been pulling references off the bookshelf and it occurs to me that there isn't a decent reference book for Sherman's in British use. Yes there's a few titles that show pretty pictures but they all seem to avoid trying to identify various Types or variations or going into any kind of serious detail. What we need is a whole new volume, like Son of Sherman, but devoted to Sherman's in British use, it can be called 'Cousin of Sherman' and be the definitive edition. So, when do you think you can make a start on writing it Adrian?
  23. Things like Lance-Jack, Dropshorts, etc. have been around since at least WWII as has, I think Buckshee, which is an old Arabic phrase meaning tip/gratuity. You still hear it a lot in Egypt, where they're always following you around asking for backsheesh (bqshysh). Incidentally, Egypt is where the term Gippo comes from also, short for Egyptian especially the begging / backsheesh kind. Then there's mucker which is pretty universal but is very much an Indian Army (WWII, and earlier, era) phrase. One of my favourites, which has become wildly misinterpreted is Bint! In the WWII Indian Army Bint was Hindi for Pretty Girl. Today, especially up North, it seems to have taken on a new meaning which is closer to slag! I was in the centre of Oxford one day when I came across a Blue Mercedes with the number plate Bint 1 or something very similar. My friend spotted it first and said, "oh, that's a very unfortunate number plate", to which I replied, "probably not, it most likely belongs to an Indian girl and was probably bought for her by her Dad". To say he was incredulous at such a suggestion would be an understatement and even when I explained the background to him he was highly dubious. A few years ago there was a re-print of 'Service Slang', a WWII era book produced by a couple of regular's Army and RAF, I think, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Service-Slang-Flying-Officer-J-L/dp/0571240143/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1?keywords="Service+Slang"&qid=1554246330&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmrnull
  24. John, thanks for the reply mate! Re the lower hull's being almost identical I am coming to the same conclusion but good lord these Sherman variants are confusing! Re the Muffler system I have managed to find a few photographs which give some good views of this area and they are below, but I'd love to see a good drawing/s for this muffler arrangement if anyone has one? Use of photographs for discussion purposes only. These next few images appear to show the same area without the muffler attached and I assume that the welded in blanking plate, is the original exit point for the exhaust system before it joined up with the Mufflers? Or was there something else here?
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