andy brown

Just now, andy brown said:

With defence to all of you that have have followed this thread over the ,what is now years ,I thank you for your patience there have been many questions that I did not or do not have the answer to regarding the whys and wherefores ,one that stands out above all others is ( why if they are there don't they dig them up?) ..

Now I'm am surprised that nobody twigged the reason for this apart from ( cause they can't be there ) little else seemed to come to the fore,

Now sit and think this through ,Put yourself in Hammond's place ,you have a goal and you can see a gap in the fabric of governance a gap that few if any have ever taken advantage of , but you.need to be able to open doors to take advantage of your of you revolutionary idea ,so a key is needed one you haven't got but your idea could prove as useful as a key all you need is an IOU ticket book ,which state ( promise to pay the bearer ) you tear of ticket hand it to the key bearer ,door opens and you scuttle off through the corridors of power opening each and every door with an IOU pop.  Your head round say hi and move on until you get to a door that says Minister of Defense you enter sit at the desk look out of the window and all you can see are brown field sites where once there had been armies of protectors of the realm but alas no more ,rather than waste the opportunity you reach for you IOU's and get these places a clean bill of health wipe their faces and offer them up to investors ,now you can pay back the IOU,s , home and dry ..until it turns out you may have acted with to much haste in on or two areas ,it seem some creep that didn't have an IOU might have wrong footed you ,bit late for IOU's with this one perhaps better to sit this one out ,can't have all those IOU,s claiming I pulled a scam by selling on iffy sites wouldnt do your image a lot of good but you could always swop your remaining tickets for a seat in the upper house ......

Sorry second word should read defrance ....

22 hours ago, ruxy said:

The National Archives and the 'alleged'  by author Martin Allen  FAKE files inserted.   I followed this and had grave doubts  50/50  , however the book concerned Martin Allen did have a late edition printed but it was done in north America - this included  an addendum where the author stated his views  - that IMHO could have veracity.  I had to import this edition, I think advantage Allen.   That being the case - was it Mi6 who loaded very poor quality fake docs. to more lay the blame on Allen , in any case he was expected to be prosecuted but it did not happen. 

                      I am aware of another book that is to be launched early 2022 by different author(s) ,  I am aware of the general drift but security presently is very tight.   I am thinking there is a possibility of new information with sound veracity that could support what Martin Allen had to say in his addendum.   This could also affect past/present staffing of the N.A.

                   However - as stated , as yet I am awaiting more details, the press was going to roll before X'mas 2021 ,  it seems as soon as the plates are set - there is a Stop Press.

With defence to all of you that have have followed this thread over the ,what is now years ,I thank you for your patience there have been many questions that I did not or do not have the answer to regarding the whys and wherefores ,one that stands out above all others is ( why if they are there don't they dig them up?) ..

Now I'm am surprised that nobody twigged the reason for this apart from ( cause they can't be there ) little else seemed to come to the fore,

Now sit and think this through ,Put yourself in Hammond's place ,you have a goal and you can see a gap in the fabric of governance a gap that few if any have ever taken advantage of , but you.need to be able to open doors to take advantage of your of you revolutionary idea ,so a key is needed one you haven't got but your idea could prove as useful as a key all you need is an IOU ticket book ,which state ( promise to pay the bearer ) you tear of ticket hand it to the key bearer ,door opens and you scuttle off through the corridors of power opening each and every door with an IOU pop.  Your head round say hi and move on until you get to a door that says Minister of Defense you enter sit at the desk look out of the window and all you can see are brown field sites where once there had been armies of protectors of the realm but alas no more ,rather than waste the opportunity you reach for you IOU's and get these places a clean bill of health wipe their faces and offer them up to investors ,now you can pay back the IOU,s , home and dry ..until it turns out you may have acted with to much haste in on or two areas ,it seem some creep that didn't have an IOU might have wrong footed you ,bit late for IOU's with this one perhaps better to sit this one out ,can't have all those IOU,s claiming I pulled a scam by selling on iffy sites wouldnt do your image a lot of good but you could always swop your remaining tickets for a seat in the upper house ......

10 hours ago, ruxy said:

2016  & much scribe on HMVF  about burried tank(s)   ,  being  BANNED  from the National Archives , in person /on-line ??    then that is a serious matter.

Just a quick check on website of :-

The Local Government & Social Care  OMBUDSMAN

then they can do for 

Planning

Some housing issues

Social care

Some education and schools issues

Children’s services

Housing benefit

Council tax

Transport and highways

Environment and waste

Neighbour nuisance and antisocial behaviour

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Seems much scope for you to get your foot into the door of the NA ,  I believe a copy of the report (sort of a £ free barristers report)  will end up on your door-mat +  the door-mat of your own MP. 

Possibly it will also be shown here  ?    Then a few more may again take an interest into the possibility of WW2 tanks available for restoration ?

I thank you for your concern and advice , there had been a number of occasion where I had mulled over the option of the ombudsman , although I gauged that at the time to be a knee jerk reaction born out of frustration and that I felt was more to do with Hammond than the N/A.

At the risk of repeating myself it might be as well to point out that some months after the refusal to read episode I again returned to N/A with completely different subject matter ,on arrival telling the receptionist the reason for my visit she replied "Oh by the way Mr Brown those files you wished to view on your last visit are now available, What's with the change of heart I thought this place has a protocol written in stone ,,,didn't seem kosher ,but given directions upstairs to the holder of my sought after files, signed for and handed one tatty hard back folder within which were some seven or eight hard card separators each containing a new adhesive label all with the legend (weeded considered not in the public interest ) a contradiction from the data sheet on these files I had printed off from their own web site where in the access column it clearly stated  ( in public domain) IE open to all....so it became fairly obvious they they had realised that in blanking me in the first instance had left them as the patsy ...so to extracate themselves from a questionable excuse of refusal not of there making bought into play one of their own qualifications (we reserve the right to withhold ) though even this flew in the face of their supposed integrity ...bottom line They had been used..... And were squirming........ 

Now this just shows how Hammond will and does use people and supposed upstanding organisations to his own end irrespective of the damage it is likely to inflict on any unsuspecting soul who had never put a foot wrong in their lives ..so taking N/A on may dig a hole you couldn't climb out of unless one can nail Hammond at the same time ......

Thanks Andy.B.......

3 hours ago, andym said:

"The Tank That Never Was"?

Plural ....Tanks....

1 minute ago, andy brown said:

In view of the above remark ..I thought it time to introduce the two main players in this saga ,on the left is me and on the right one  Right hon Philip Hammond who at the time the pic was taken June 2016  was the minister of defence .now Lord  Hammond,not often seen out of the cover of darkness .he of the insistence that there are no tanks at waterbeach ,rather in the style of Nixon and his ( there is no cover up with Watergate ,)  this is where he gives me a word of advice (keep your nose out of my business ) businesses !!!! Make of that what you will,providing you haven't been living under a log for the last forty years 

Remember he had the power to get me blocked from the national archives , you are treading a thin line when you can do that for personal gain mmmmm 25000 houses ..Happy new year..

On 9/17/2021 at 2:14 PM, 11th Armoured said:

You should seriously consider writing spy novels...

In view of the above remark ..I thought it time to introduce the two main players in this saga ,on the left is me and on the right one  Right hon Philip Hammond who at the time the pic was taken June 2016  was the minister of defence .now Lord  Hammond,not often seen out of the cover of darkness .he of the insistence that there are no tanks at waterbeach ,rather in the style of Nixon and his ( there is no cover up with Watergate ,)  this is where he gives me a word of advice (keep your nose out of my business ) businesses !!!! Make of that what you will,providing you haven't been living under a log for the last forty years 

2 hours ago, Citroman said:

Is it a pressure horn or a vacuum one?

Westinghouse made also the braking servos for the 1920 Citroen B14 and the C4.

At a guess pressure, London westing house ceased to exist after 1919 ,also the weight with the activating valve is approx 8 kilo having a chain pull activating valve, kind of suggests a railway train .thanks Andy 

Just a long shot , looking to identify to what this might have been fitted to, a Westinghouse of London England air horn ,the Westinghouse London address signifies that it would have been made during WW1 under licence to the U,S company ,by 1919 there had been a long running court case between the u,s and the UK regarding breach of contract which ended with the UK westinghouse being taken over by Vicers Armstrong ..in the past I've always associated westinghouse with things pneumatic such as braking systems ,ok this appears to be train related , I've had the thing for some time and had associated the fact that because the main block is held together with cap screws ( Allen screws ) which I had long thought were a later 20 century arrival but only recently did I find that (Allen) produced hex cap screws from 1910 ,which bought me to look at this horn in a different light.

It would seem I was right in pre - empting an intervention ,patience is a virtue ,

In the end it's down to the reader to draw their own conclusions ,here we have a place that for a short time was thrown into the maelstrom of war many of its components of operation would have in such a short time frame been cobbled together in a vain attempt to repel an expected invasion , by now the overwhelming odds held by such a well oiled adversary would have been demonstrated on a daily basis much to the despair of the government .faced with an enemy that could drive across Northern Europe in a week and flatten all in its path what chance did we have in an island that a train could travel the length of in twelve hours , everything had to be on the table although given the opportunity it would have a lot better if the fight could take place on other territory rather than our own but now it was to late ..

Within Winstons speeches to the nation was an aspect of (if we go down they come with us) no mention of how that would happen although he being no stranger to the use of chemical weapons was not going to reveal his hand rather prepare for the worst with what ever you have in hand .

Stockpiles of mustard gas and lewisite were plotted up across southern Britain ,one such example of just how much came to light in the early fifties where the royal navy at the time were in need of a large capacity vacuum pump ,ministry of supply had.one on the books at a place called Lords bridge in Cambridgeshire ,navy lads dispatched to recover said pump only to find that it was still piped up to an underground tank in the grounds of the complex , worthy of a check before the removal of the pump they found the underground silo contained 250 tons of liquid mustard gas which was eventually decanted taken to swinderbury  by rail to be destroyed ,Bramley Hampshire is another example but that is so bad they would rather forget about it ,I've no doubt that there are many others around the country as yet to come to light .

Many years ago 50s I had the misfortune of visiting on a number of occasions one Mr Creech at his depot in Southall goods yard or adjacent to, Mr Creech specialised in the manufacture, mixing of caustics ,solvents and acids in a large building without a roof ,old engine shed I'd presumed ,he moved various coloured caustic powder from one bay to another using a e27n fordson entombed in a rusting hulk of a chaside frame , as the clouds of caustic blew about the yard everything was in a form of prehistoric decay ,brickwork,concrete,metal ,even Mr Creech who's stumps of green teeth stood as testament to the hazards of his occupation ,it was our job on occasions to breath life back into his old chaside hulk replacing where poss; with second hand parts whiçh had its problems as you were lucky to find a bolt head that didn't look like a rivet , in one corner of the yard there was a stack ,more a heap of glass carboys in rotting metal frames ,hydracloric, sulfuric , it was all there or the remains of, most were cracked some upside down the ground therein smoking and throthing ,a bank of clay some two foot high had been placed around the circumference of this evil smelling bog of acid which in places had coagulated with the concrete with the whole in a reddish burnt umber with white tear stains , so is the chunk of dinner plate Mr Creech revisited .

PS Mr Creech met his end when starting the chaside could not get the starting handle out of the PTO pulley starter dog when in gear it moved forward and crushed him between the handle and one of the few rsjs still standing....

If I relate to the facts as they occured I cannot be condemned for distorting the facts ,that it doesn't suit some is expected and could quite get worse from their point of view .

It was open to speculation as to the purpose of the dinner plates although by their composition I had a good idea what had contributed to their unusual texture , I approached a firm that is qualified In the examination of aggregates and soils asking if they could examine the sample with the intention of discovering what if any chemicals lay within .

These pictures of what appears to be some sort of aggregate I recovered from the common around 2012, around the time of finding the landmine strikers ,for some ten years prior to this I would walk the dog out on the common a couple of times a week in the area close to the tank factory ( Burma road) as our workshop was down the road in lyne the dog a cross staff Pitbull was our security guard being close by to a number of traveller sites we suffered a number of costly nocturnal visits ,the dog whilst considered a member of the family was the right tool for the job hence the common which kept him out of contact with people and inquisitive dogs as his version of playfulness was likely to get me in trouble.At that time to me the common was just where I took the dog not paying that much attention to the place ,but with regular visits just as with anywhere things become familiar ,and one thing that had done so we're the strange "what looked like strange upturned dinner plates " roughly five or six foot across quite a number lay hidden in the brush but on one stretch of path one would walk across three that lay in line , they had an almost marble appearance and when damp had no coefficient of friction  if stepped on ,

2012 now out there doing a bit of metal detecting couple of months passed before I realised the dinner plates were missing not that it stood as important at the time ,probably a year later I was detecting in the corner next to the railway line under some pine trees and would brush away the needles with my foot when I uncovered a piece of dinner plate ie as the pics....,next time I visited the heath  manager I asked him about the missing dinner plates ,answer ..probably crushed by the tractor at some time,...well didn't swallow that as I had not seen any evidence of the remains, did though mention that I had found some large pieces over by the railway , week later back in same area it looked like the whole  place had seen a buck rake recently,not a slither of  what I had seen couple weeks before was left .

What was so important about the dinner plates ? Just to see the reaction I mentioned to one of the ground staff I met out on the common had they seen any of the material I described and showed them the lump I had from the fir trees ,four days later got call from persons unknown would I mind returning the stone , why? We might need it for display purposes !!!! Said you already have three ton of it ..line goes dead....

Although it was not my intention to feature the previous pics of asbestos and oil , as it did not I thought fit in the general scheme of things ,only included as a response to the previous post, but having done so should it be met with disbelief that the pics are of chobham common I thought it best to identify the whereabouts of both ,the asbestos is part of the material from the installation near to the Windsor road and several hundred yards south of the Victoria memorial ,most of the material appears to have been bulldozed north down a bank into a hollow adjacent to the Windsor road car park ,the oil covers a area South west of ship hill or north of the Victoria memorial  ,here I had found foundations of buildings in what I took to be a compound as there are the remains of the pre war pebble dash lampposts along with a great deal of buried pipework some of which traces back to the Windsor road ,at a guess some sort of pumping station ..

 I am inclined to agree with you , conspiracy seemed to have got attached way back in early waterbeach but then thats what it was ,certain parties conspired to hide for whatever reason 326 tanks , an issue that many found hard to swallow ,so from then on the rule of the day was Conspiracy .......but I wouldn't loose sleep over it due to the fact that like waterbeach the story isn't over yet....

As for Stoke park well there wasn't much that that people didn't know about the place after ww2 ,unlike chobham common where they are still in denial that the army was out there ( they being the local authorities )

Doubt very much if the children of Stoke park get much opportunity to play with Asbestos ,or paddle in oil filled ditches ,but they haven't got an International Nature reserve .

59 minutes ago, Ashcollection said:

I think you will find Andy, its the Conspiracy Theory tone and the "feeding bread crumbs" manor of the posts that cause the problem. there are some serious military historians and serious collectors on this site that dedicate their lives and incomes to the cause. playing the whole "victim" of a conspiracy line just winds people up. facts with back up count. and in one of your posts you got it about the tanks being there. that would have happened earlier probably without the game playing.

Ok drip feeding , that maybe how you see it from the outside but it rather depends on one's circumstances ,I do not have a computer nor do I have broad band ,I use a bog standard phone ,that has its limitations ,because when you find yourself over eighty after half an hour your looking at three screens .

As for conspiracy well your the one that keeps throughing  this up ,and as I'm not finished yet let's see if there is a punch line .before you jump to conclusions .

Waterbeach recieved the same treatment and yes if I were a professional archivist i would no doubt tread the line that you expect to be fitting for the forum ,but I'm not ,

As for the common it's been bulldozed flat ,replanted ,re invented , and manicured into a presentable package suitable for the twenty first century ,I've known it for 65years  and seen it slowly disappear and wrongly it would seem try to highlight a few days in the countries history that some would have me forget...... conspiracy .....V.....money......

23 hours ago, andy brown said:

I suppose I better contact the US archives and inform them that the Luftwaffe aerial pics they have they should skip....

I really don't want to argue with anyone , but should point out that if you go back to the first thread on chobham on the 24 / 9/ 21 you will see the full front cover of a booklet I published dated in the corner seven years ago which included my pretty pictures one of which depicts the tanks on tank hill ,seven years later  you take me to task on evidence ,and in the same breath admit to the world that you knew of the tanks (  seeing them from staple hill ) to say nothing of the Luftwaffe pics showing the whereabouts of the concrete foundations of the pods ,yes my pretty pictures may not have captured your imagination that said you appear to be digging a hole for your self .I will certainly stand aside should a more exacting suggestion be put forward on anything regarding the common that I may have promoted .

4 hours ago, MrEd said:

Yeah a hand drawn picture with coordinates printed on it still isn’t evidence of anything tbh. 

I suppose I better contact the US archives and inform them that the Luftwaffe aerial pics they have they should skip....

1 hour ago, Bob Grundy said:

An E83W van, they were crackers.....

What ever happened to LowTec;

1 hour ago, terryb said:

As a nipper, I lived close by Chobham clump, and recall two tracked hulls on the opposite side of the road by the car park, on the sloping ground. There was also a large rivetted steel target plate with numerous armour piercing rounds punching through it (many an hour with dad's club hammer trying to knock them out) but really apart from the filming for carry on and hammer films there, not much else was found.

Do you recall when gacious pond was dredged by a pair of traction engines, and what came out?

 

If you go back on this thread to 30. June there is one of my pretty pictures of the tanks on tank hill,. I recall the pond being dredged but didn't hear what they pulled out . What happened to the tanks ,I recall going past mid seventies they were there but I could see the tops of two I think JCB,s down in the dip at the bottom of the hill ,I know they resculptured the side of the hill for a footpath   but didnt  know if they buried the tanks at that time ....but it was about that time they disappeared ...what do you know about the bunker that was built just opposite the longcross road car park ,the ground backs on to the little housing estate with its access road in longcross road .I delivered some rebar to the site when I was doing a bit of casual for a firm ,had to unload on the road ,they were pouring concrete into that place for 18 months .did ask at gorse lane office ,but they just blanked me in 2014 ......

46 minutes ago, andy brown said:

 

I'm amazed ...if you look carefully at any of my pretty pictures you will see that they have the co_ ordinates printed on them also dated and signed ,no evidence sorry old chap what do you want me to do ? Rebuild the structures to their original state , alternatively you could go to the common and use the co_ordinates  ,I assure you that they are just as I left them ,per haps a little overgrown ,when I first when to the common about 56 I went with a couple of mates cause they were holding a sale day up there ,now every road those days had booms with barbed wire on staple hill would have it's red flag flying ,we watched as dingo,Daimler scout cars .bren gun carriers big old Austin gantry six wheelers and a variety of other vehicles rumbled around the common ,staples hill road had a great marquee and in front a twenty foot high staging ,up on the staging were what looked like a gathering of cinema commissionaires with more gold braid and colour of uniform than you could wave a stick at ..sorry didn't bring the evidence out with me ...but I did run faster than the porky military police sargent.....it's all out there if you go and look ....

On 10/7/2021 at 2:44 PM, andy brown said:

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1 hour ago, MrEd said:

The drawings are very pretty but aren’t actual ‘evidence’ 

 

the gate isn’t evidence either. The common was used by the army for training up until the early 2000’s and there is the longcross barracks (still there but abandoned) near what was the longcross camp and test ground other side of the motorway. Connected to it by an under pass. 
 

there was a number of these gates off the roads that cross the common and invariably used for access to the common by land management agents or the military.

I had a crash on staple hill road circa 2002/3, late at night bombing along on my way back from work (I worked in Sunningdale and lived in Woking) and I came across a column of soldiers on a night hike crossing the road just before the staple hill car park - I was travelling in the direction of chertsey.  On with the anchors and I ended up in the scrub, thankfully no one hurt.

that incident was here

https://goo.gl/maps/pgzfCfTMd9aqU8nt8

They were crossing at that gate. Which was open. I presume they had come all the way from the other side of the motorway through the underpass.

 

19 hours ago, andy brown said:

In 1959 I drove my ford e83w van from one side of the common to the other ....at night for a bet ....I look at the place now and think I wouldn't like to try it In a 4x4...

These  two pi's are the before and after of what I call the admin, block , some sixty years apart ,I am standing with my back to the entrance to the pods  opposite what was an area devoid most plant life the admin, block stood in place of the trees on the left ,again this was a building the authorities new nothing about and I had a hard job convincing them of its existence and it's connection with the pods ,wasn't until I gave them a demonstration physically by GPR tracing the services from the road to the foundations and back across the road to the listening room pit did they accept grudgingly that I was right ,the whole of this patch has been left to grow in an unkept fashion unlike their fastidious conviction at maintaining pathways well away from  the it didn't happen bits I've uncovered .not that it's war or mod related but to the right of the gate is staple hill or the clump upon which stood five tall pine trees these could be seen in the distance from any quarter of the common and were the trade mark of the common for many years , between the clump and the road was a open area some 150 yards long and 30 yards deep where two ice cream vans would park of a weekend this being a local beauty spot ..some even parked on the opposite side of the road in the hight of summer ,sometime early sixties council decided to deny access to this parking area by digging a trench   between the road and the parking area ,what happened next seems to be a mystery to the Surrey council  and local residents alike but to me it was a dot on the card that their action was not going unpunished , they woke one morning to find their pride and joy the five pine trees had been chopped down ...it didn't occur to them obviously that ice cream vendors who could no long trade there might be a little upset or that they where Italian ...touch of the godfather...

25 minutes ago, Ashcollection said:

Think you will find a huge amount of people think "whats through the gates" in my younger days when I could hop over tall fences before getting a beating from the land owner I often looked behind the gates!  been inside about 30 ROC posts, also control towers, scrap yards, closed mod bases, closed factories. all would be considered at least trespass! Not everyone is as brave as you Andy. A closed gate means keep out. and now I'm fat old and slow it does to me now as well haha 

In 1959 I drove my ford e83w van from one side of the common to the other ....at night for a bet ....I look at the place now and think I wouldn't like to try it In a 4x4...

On 10/5/2021 at 4:54 PM, andy brown said:

This is the entrance to the pods and listening room ,although it has existed  all of this time ,it seems that nobody In recent years questioned where it led to ,there were two heavy angle iron gates.where the wooden bar is now , couriosity you would have thought would have prompted "what's behind the gates"

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