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Sorry to disappoint you as to claiming a plane to park up, but it's being filmed in New Zealand!

Last summer ( ours) thats twelve months ago now there was controversy in Masterton as access to the airfield (a public place ) was restricted while filming for the Dam busters was under way.

As for the detail in accuracy towards this film I have to take that it is similar to the exceptional detail used in manufacturing aircraft for the WW1 projects.

check out http://thevintageaviator.co.nz

Doug

Regards the Landrover sherman;

Was the body fibre glass or plywood as two differing comments have been made?

What was the drive, did the tracks operate or were there wheels from the orginial Landy still in use?

what weight? It would be much easier to transport than an orginal to a show, that is aside from its width.

Then again otherwise how would you go about licencing it for the road and Mot?

Pleasant thoughts.

Doug

I assume these photos were taken during a restoration, with the latter photos in the park being the finished product.

They must have been in poor state looking at the cracks requiring welding and the replacement panels being welded in place.

If these are static displays then one takes that it is not operational mechanically. May be another full restoration another day!

What ever it's good to see the tanks maintained to a state of preservation, rather than decaying.

If it is Govt funded, well done.

Tim from your comments; Whats the worry with ownership ?

I would like a shed of that size, and would have a good go at filling it.

Doug

For further images on WW1 aircraft produced by Peter Jackson's crew check out you tube; search, Omaka airshow.

Other vehicles are being prepared besides aircraft in readiness for filming.

A further search of http://www.omaka.org.nz illustrates the aviation museum with WW1 displays.

Doug

Vehicle registration and a warrant of fitness is required over here. Im about to go through the process

May I suggest registration as a farm vehicle. If used on the farm for some purpose, then it would be no different to that of a the requirements as a tractor. If capable of greater than 40 kph ond over X tonnes then requires a CoF If under no COF of warrant. Unsure what the weight of your new present is and from memery the new laws on heavy tractors, 40kph+, and CoF's are around 6 tonnes.

And as a tractor you can drive it on a car licence.

Like the idea of importing a piece in( read as exporting it when in the UK). Reverse of what happens so offen from NZ.

If I was to follow the same line it would be to import a WW1 tracked vehicle!

Trying to place your location in NZ Land form and vegetation type indicate Waiuku area.

Am I close?

Thanks

Doug

From the front line in the fields of France and Belgium how far back were the respective supply depots located?

I realise this is like asking, "how long is a piece of string" as the front would move a the conflict altered as would terrian influence siting.

Depots I gather would vary in size and of the type of stores supplied.

Like wise first aid stations and medical points were located at what spacings?

I have not located much information on the distrubution of depots, I any about?

Doug http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/images/smilies/coffee.gifg

As for certification, the key ruling is "As per the period of time constructed"

Long as the vehicle is standard inspection should be confirming to that requirement as set out in the rules.

Unfortunately there are inspectors who do not wish to follow these inspection rules and only know of the most recent rules as applies to recent vehicles.

I look forward to the day when we get a WW1 vehicle on the road and ready for its inspection. Time to show them that brake testing machines do not work on front axles ( with no brakes) and lamp testing machines will not easily record the image of kerosine powered lights. There have been some most laughable experiences told of testing proceedures with some vintage trucks and vehicle testing inspectors.

I expect you will get asked to set the APC on to the brake rollers!!

Doug

Thats an interesting point as to the origin of the name. So they are British but interstellar, vintage yes, so therefore fit into this forums sections as; arms; British vehicles; and tracked vehicles. ( can't remember if they had tracks underneath them for manoverability outside) And if they floated as well try it in a naval section!

Doug

Looking at the photo of the two radiators leads to a series of questions as to how these were mounted. If done the field for neccessity, the resouces available may not have been the largest to draw on. I take from the photos the header and lower tanks are alloy, they appear close together so coupling the inlet and outlet pipes between the tanks would be an interesting job. That is assuming the pipes link directly through between the tanks, rather than having rubber hoses passing around the front tank then joining up .

Linking two tanks together means cutting a hole in the tank would then require a suporting flange to mount the other end of a conection piece. With no alloy welding.

Otherwise remove tanks from radiator, cut holes and bolt in place flanges from inside the tanks.

Mechanics had to be good alround trades people.

Doug

Would the hose clips have been used with brass nuts and bolts to pull them up originally?

Progress is slow. In fact dead slow as a few other more urgent jobs have had to be addressed like fixing tractors and machinery, as they earn the money on the property.

Still searching for another gearbox for the J Thornycroft, while the engine lies here soaking in oil.

My son's Leyland RAF is likewise stalled however now the summer is here its time to get into action again.

Will post some photos as work progresses.

Doug

The first photo shows Leyland trucks.

Number one truck has the holes across the front chassis cross member. A Leyland feature. The front wheel design of the following Leylands again a feature of early Leylands. Some Leylands were produced with disc front wheels having no holes at all where as others have four holes.

The body design on these Leylands appear the same but the front truck appears a larger unit based about the radiator and bonnet shape and form. This could be a 3 1/2 ton truck ( 40 hp) while the balance are 2 1/2 tonners. Difficult to be true working from photos.

The Thornycroft in the latter photo would be an A3 model, developed from the A1 in 1926 with a bogie axle.

Doug

I took the photo and enlarged the area to get the detail. Having a similar truck here in restoration one knows the identifing features.

Note also the tins mounted about the foot step. Not a usual postion rather than being under the deck.

The next question to be answered in the series is the identity of the truck in the background. ( Left hand truck)

The wood work for the deck sides is not the same design as that to the Thornycroft, and appears to be a little shorter in deck length than the Thornycroft. Could be otherwise a different body builder or a subsidy vehicle taken by the army.

The right hand truck in the background loses definition upon enlargement. Wheels appear military style however the radiator appears too wide in relation to height for Thornycroft. Radiator shape also more rounded. Could be Albion or...

Thanks

Doug

May I ask for a copy too?

Thanks

Doug

Thornycroft J

Taken from the design of the radiator side panels, the two vents in the alloy one on the side panel, the other identation on the top tank, then beside the rim of the mans hat can just be made out a T being the end letter on the casting name on the radiator.

Wheel pattern are typical Thornycroft miltary issue.

Doug

Thank you. KOTR of course King of the Road!!

Have a number of KOTR lamps here to go on vehicles

Thickness here this morning on my behalf. I will allow the rest of you to add extra comments to my lack of logic!!

Doug

KOTR I asume is the manufacturer's initals. What is the company then? I ask this as to date have not come across this label before.

How many other manufacturers produced lamps for the WD?

Doug

The photos show an form of camouflage to hide objects from a wife!

Note the multiple height stacking proceedure.

Doug

An aircraft search light; Well its still a lamp, even though the candle power was probably greater than the combined output of the truck fleet. (or was it described as a company of trucks).

Doug

The Leyland rear end is a double reduction diff. As suppllied to the WD for the Royal Flying Corp. Rather than a spiral worm drive diff as used by so many other manufacturers Leyland used this format on their heavy weight chassis ( 3 tonner plus range). Lighter trucks retained the worm drive.

The Star truck would be intersting to see rebuilt.

As a supply of parts well worth collecting, however the cost of getting them home means I will have to leave them to a local collector!

Doug

Good to see a new tread.

Can we get the previous points on lamps from the Dennis restoration copied over?

My son Karl asks if this will also include search lights as mounted on some vehicles?

Stretching the context, but still a light!

Doug

The use of theatre lighting gel I have thought of and is readily avaliable to me. It varies in differening densities of colour and would be the easy way to reproduce a coloured lens. Also thought of using the gel within a resin built lens.

A question here as to the shape of the red lens; does it have a smooth exterior surface or is it patterned, or what ever the word is to describe the finish of multible cut faces. I note Millers have this multiable cut face lens on the side lamps, where as other manufacturers had a smooth surface.

However there is always the question as to how was it done orginally and can it be done again in small batches. The concept of orginallity as per Tim!

Doug

Tim,

The Millers lights you showed on this thread some time back, were these standard issue WD to all makes of vehicles or did differing manufacturers supply lamps to pariticular truck builders?

In the last week we have purchased three Millers lamps , one with WD markings but unlike yours no date. That one and a mate are side lamps with small red rear lens and a third lamp is the tail lamp with mounting point at the back and clear side lens. The last lamp is missing its main lens and assume this whole lens was coloured red.

Not a common find to three together, in fact this pattern of lamp I have not seen before, but then that could be a matter of location.

Thoughts of making replacement lens for other lamps as well using clear epoxy resin.

material. I judge the temperature from the burners will be not that great to effect the resin. Interested to know of others exeperiences.

Doug

Aside from the two gallon tins as described on the forum pages, what other sized tins were used for bulk carriage of fuel?

I recall reading somewhere of the use of 4 gallon square containers which fitted into wooded boxes or at least a wooden frame, to give them more protection while being transported. On this point my dates would indicate 1920's on for widespread use of 4 gallon tins, so when were they introduced ? Were they date stamped?

I have seen photos of these larger tins opened out and used as a wall cladding on buildings, here in the colonies, in the same manner as Tim mentioned with those of in Tasmania.

Doug

Will copy off latter when the scanner is working.

For transporting water over unevan ground I would say this design would most ineffective, with a great loss of liquid.

I agree its a most unusual tank shape having no lid. Its more like a vat as used in a factory situation. Could have it been used for transporting material like molasses where digging it out was a method of distributing it. That would put it into the horse drawn era, as using the molasses as a tonic for the horses. My knowledge of the Hawaian Islands is not that great but I seem to recall a sugar cane industry. Molasses could have been transfered direct from a sugar cane processing factory for use by the army horse corps.

Or a sludge or effluent transporter. The stinky and filthy jobs of handling such material would still have to be undertaken.

Doug