madrat

Would it be this one?

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E Bay

If only, I'm afraid not. Its this one:

And really quite a rare find :cry:

have u looked on ebay?

I have yes, I've had an automatic search on for a while and they don't seem to come up! A shame its not in print as I think it would be quite a popular book!

Cheers, Duncan

Hi everyone,

I'm looking at a Scammell Pioneer just now, I'm quite confident its a military one and has a "ministry of supply" chassis plate on it. It is however stamped with a civilian style plate KYW 922, DVLA have no record of it and I presume it fell victim to the computer upgrade in 1999.

Should it have a "two numbers - two letters - two numbers" (eg. 55 BM 49) style plate in the early 1940's? Is there any explanation for this number plate, I have seen a number of other military vehicles with KYW plates, perhaps in some other MOD role?

Any advice or help appreciated,

Kind Regards,

Duncan

Hi folks,

I was wondering if anyone had a copy of

"Pioneer: The Scammell R100, SV1 & SV2, TRMU20 & TRMU30 in British Army Service"

I believe this publication has a list of the Pioneer chassis numbers, I'm looking for any information on chassis number 5177, I think its possible that this book might list the contract or maybe more information?

I'd just buy a copy but at £150 from Amazon its a bit expensive for me!

Any help appreciated,

Regards,

Duncan

All because the lady loves......Scammell Leyland

Well until I own a Scammell again I guess that should stay?!

Here are two of my "in service" pics showing the reflectors on the arches, not doubting you, there seems to be many variations!

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Thanks Simon, I'll put an ebay search together for them and sit and wait! No need to raid your parts store, I might need your help with another more critical part later on. If you do see anything Martian related (That you aren't buying yourself) on ebay please give me a shout, especially manuals!

Good to know about the brake pipes, olive fitment should make it relatively straight forward. The pipe I found wasn't genuine bundylin but it was properly rated for hydraulic use so I don't see a problem with the air pressure we are talking about. Some of the bends might be interesting, mine aren't that bad but a few I'd like to change. I ordered up some of the spiral wound rubber hose for the flexi joints.

You got me thinking about these lights and trafficators, I found this picture showing a martian with them still fitted. I also have a picture of one in service with the trafficators and no indicators... They also seem to have two reflectors per side above the centre of the wheel arches?

Cool thanks Simon, I doubt I will be able to find the correct side lights so I'll probably just go for the military screw in type. It will look a bit better than the rubbolite ones that are falling apart.

Interesting to see the side marker lamps, I'd say the cab sides are probably a better location. Those rubber types look better than what I've got so I might go with them. I'll read up on the legal side of what I'm doing...

Thanks for the scanned wiring diagrams too, excellent stuff....

Oh and one final question, do you know if the brake pipe fittings are done with olives or flares? I've found 5/8" seamless steel tubing (BS & CFS rated) do you think that would be suitable for making up new brake pipes? Any ideas?

Cheers!

Thanks for the replied chaps, much appreciated!!

I did wonder about modern pipe/fittings but this type of braking system is very new to me! Most of the affected pipes are inside the chassis rails so not overly concerned about originality. Safety is my number 1 priority.

i cant remember if pipes were flared or had olives on them

That's a very good point, I was speculating they were flared but I guess they could well have olive style fittings, that would make a bit more sense as I guess the pipe is quite hard to flare....

I would try your local hydraulic hose gang

That's a really good idea, thinking about it our excavator has rigid hydraulic pipes on it... We have a good local place so I'll drop in there and ask them for advice...

Longer term I'd like to convert the air system to the modern fail-safe type, not sure if this would be a can of worms with the insurers mind you....

Cheers!!

Duncan

Hi Folks,

I'm looking to replace some of the steel air brake pipes on my Leyland Martian. I reckon they are 5/8" (The book says 0.628").

Does anyone know where to buy the tube, and what type of tool would normally be used to make the flares?

Can these be replaced by kunnifer (Cupro-nickel) pipe?

Any advice greatly appreciated!

Kind Regards,

Duncan

Should the front side lights be this type of glass screw on lens?

Outstanding as always!!@ Much appreciated... A few more questions I'm afraid!

the smaller 12 point socket is part of the NATO wiring upgrade

Ah, that would explain the additional, but very well done wiring that ran alongside the original cable tied to the brake pipes.

The trafficator boxes will most likely be empty

Have you ever seen one with trafficators? I presume they were removed with the upgrade to conventional indicators.

and sidelights (trumpet type) at the front

Do you have a picture or a link to these indicators? Mine has rubbolite ones mounted into the front bumpers. I have the same tail/indicator/convoy lights as those pictures and also the holes for the original tail lights.

if you can make out the rusty splodge with a couple of holes in it, halfwayish between the two uprights, the out rigger mounting is bolted there.

What's this outrigger for? I'm confused :nut:

One other request for now, I think you have some NOS handbrake pads? Could you measure the thickness of the friction material so I know how to get them re-done.

Thanks Simon!

Hi Simon,

Thanks for the response, excellent stuff! In response:

I've got the guards below the bumper, were the same headlights moved between two bracket positions? On some kind of quick connector? Or was it an in service modification to move them higher?

Thanks for confirming about the electric trailer brakes, that explains the original looking second socket on the rear...

That's good news about the UJ's, I'll see what the play in the splines is like greased up, its not that bad but something I was wondering about..

Is that silencer the original part then? On the fuel tank side? Where should the tail pipe go from this box?

My bonnet hinges are pretty good, they are sticking slightly which has caused a bit of fatigue but really not bad!

Great info on the cold start system, yes its in pretty good condition! And I'm glad I didn't touch that CAV control box, some of the wiring just looked too well done to be after market! I'll remove the dodgy stuff, it will be useful to have a source of fused power for some newer spots etc.

My traficators seemed to have been blanked off quite neatly, I'm temped to drill out the rivets and see what's lurking inside the boxes!

Simon, really appreciate the response! I don't have a wiring diagram, I'll PM you my email address thanks!

My truck has standard screw on military lenses at the back with large screw on covers, and rubbolite side markers and sidelights. What should it have had originally?

Thanks!!

Well I found 5 hours today to escape to the workshop, decided to get started on the Martian, and started with an easy job! Unfortunately I forgot a real camera so its all crappy phone camera shots today...

My Martian has unfortunately had a crane fitted, this required an Austin 4cyl engine, gearbox and big hydraulic pump to be mounted in the cage under the drivers side. It was blocking access to the steering system so it had to go! In due coarse the rest of the crane will be taken off as well.

A nice empty cage!

A pile of crap waiting to meet its maker, anyone want it?!

Next up was the headlights, I wanted to see if they used standard 7" units as the chrome isn't very reflective any more! They look like a standard unit so that's good news!

Next up was to check out the spotlights under the bumper, I think there are supposed to be some under there but these don't look heavy duty enough to be original? They do look old though....

Next up was an epic voyage from the back to the front of the truck underneath! Dodgy wiring does my head in so I'll be completely re-wiring the lights, I did however carefully remove the old wiring so it could be restored and put back. For now I'll be happy if the lights work reliably!

This was the first interesting thing I found, its tee'd into the rear brake line and has a couple of wires coming out. Surely its not just a pressure switch for the brake lights? Any ideas?

It was connected to this box which must be something to do with it? Electric trailer brakes or something?

Next up was the propshaft, bad news here as there is a bit of play in the UJ's, and probably worse a bit of play in the splined sliding coupling. I do think finding a good prop is going to be needed :-( a bit worried about that...

I also noticed that some of the rear steel brake pipes are corroding more than I'd like, they are holding air fine but I don't want to take any chances. I reckon its 5/8" pipe, any ideas people?

Next up was the winch area, I was interested to see this switch, on the Pioneer the overload pulled on a cable connected to the engine stop. I guess time has moved on and now it kills the ignition. Probably a good source of electrical problems this thing....

Next up was the handbrake area, the lever operates two "calipers" onto a huge disc brake, its a monster of a thing. Unfortunately the "pads" are well worn and you can see it has had washers added for some extra life. At least this should be relatively easy to get repaired, its just flat pads.

The next thing that caught my eye was the exhaust, some of you might remember an "incident" during the initial purchase that resulted in the exhaust note becoming a bit more fruity I think I found the problem! Original exhaust maybe? It is routed right beside the fuel tank that surprised me!

Last job of the day was to remove the "bonnet", I've got quite a bit to do under there and the access isn't great, so for the sake of 6 bolts I took it off...

Access is much better now! With the bonnet off you can really appreciate how bonkers the air cleaner assembly is! The oil in it looked excellent, that's good news!

I noticed this odd bottle on the bulkhead, it seems to be connected to a hand pump in the cab. Surely too small for screenwash? I wonder if its for shooting gin into the engine for cold starting?

And last thing was to have a look around the cab, this I reckon must be a non-original fuse box thing? I was all ready to rip it out but it does power up some interior lights that look like they could be correct? Any idea's if its original?

So, quite a productive day, rear propshaft and rigid barke hoses on the wish list now!

After a major search I finally found some 6x4's I took of a couple of explorers in 2001, these were two trucks I fell in love with. Never been back to see if they are still there but I suspect not, the area looks to have been cleared from the google satellite image :cry:

Oh, and I'm looking for an explorer at the moment, cash waiting, any leads appreciated!!

Thanks for the reply Richard, do you have any experience rebuilding these, or obtaining seals/parts for them? Cheers, Duncan

Something like this would be a good bet long term I reckon....

http://www.weldinggases.co.uk/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=17

I think it was up that way, is Phil the guy who ebay's off martian bits from time to time? If so I had a NOS carb off him. A van load eh?! He must have quite a lot of stuff :cool2:

Yup, that's the one's I've been looking at! Have you tried the fitting on the accumulator valve? Bit worried about my seals, I can't imagine they are great. I believe they are a common part with the Routemaster? No doubt expensive and difficult to get hold of :cry:

I read that you can use welding gas, inert and dry, but not sure if there is any science behind using the nitrogen. I have a BOC account and might also look into the "outright purchase" bottles with no rental costs..

A little xmas treat for all Martians! A 2 page document on the civilian version of the Leyland Martian, take from "The Commercial Motor" 1954

Looking good! I have a similar pump on mine, I presume you have also bypassed the original mechanical pump? Any problems with fuel pressure being too high for the carb?

Oh and have you looked into pressurising the accumulators? I've been looking around at the kit to charge them from a Nitrogen bottle, brakes and steering are high on my agenda ;-)

Good to be back! Just had a ridiculous summer of work, at least 3 years worth in a few months! Not much in the pipeline for next year so hopefully get my stuff sorted. Andy F found a NOS martian fuel tank, would that be of interest to your rebuild?

Evening all, Madrat reporting for duty!! :saluting:

Well its been a busy year, can't believe its been 9 months since I updated this thread! I got the Martian in the shed for the winter but its costing me big ££'s, time then to get her sorted out and ready for the 15 mile drive to my place!

Been gathering bits and pieces for her, new plugs/leads are sitting here along with a new carb. Thinking about the shocking fuel economy and the vapor out the breather catching fire I reckon the mechanical fuel pump is dead, there is an electrical pump but its routed through the old mechanical one. I reckon its pumping tons of fuel into the crankcase, so that'll get bypassed and the engine oil changed for starters!

Bought a decent flaring kit that will do up to 1/2", I need to make new steering pipes as they are rusted and pissing fluid. Then once she is running better I can try the (back wheels lifted) clutch unsticking dance!

Also bought a little toy to play with in the meantime, a rare 1959 Unimog 404 Doka fuel economy to make the Leyland's 3.5mpg seem quite reasonable size for size... Its got a number plate that reads "PSYCOS" which is quite appropriate for me ;-)

All the best to everyone for xmas and the new year when it comes!

Duncan

Yes they were, you had the right idea with the low loader though, the rolls went bang on the way home:embarrassed: