Baz48

The one hanging in mid air is indeed a Bedford OY- 4 x 2 GS from contract V5004 census number range L-4876340 to 4886339. The vehicle to the right is also a Bedfordfored OY - from the same contract - so not Ford's then - nice photos any more please

15 hours ago, oats and barley said:

I wish i never posted this heads up no more

Yes you do it's a nice little truck of a type the Navy has used for ever they just keep on evolving

What may be termed a project with potential?

PM-sent

If you interested in 39 to 45 Bridging vehicle classifications look out for a copy of 

2 hours ago, ted angus said:

Yes  the AMO catching up with earlier instructions was something I used to tell those that believed the RAF was blue grey until mid 1941 !   Anyway here is a shot from St Mawgan which appears on the Control Tower website. Its dated 1946, the station was a Ferry Command unit throughout the war and into 1946 So reading an outline history, I would say a constant stream of aircraft arriving both from overseas and even more arriving for onward departure to overseas units. So lots of unfamiliar crews.. Would this Stop/follow me have been in service pre VE day  I would say yes but maybe not in this colour scheme ?? 

Ted

Be definitive show a photo of the back of the vehicle or its pure speculation yet again

Not quite the same but during a Battle of Britain Air Show at RAF Debded (Saturday 19th September 1953 - I have the program) I remember being followed around the apron by a Hastings taxiing under its own power with spectators just casually making way for it. I don’t recall any vehicle or RAF personnel marshalling this aircraft or requesting clear passage for it just occasionally a head out of the cockpit – true  

12 hours ago, Bowser1107 said:

I have no idea why the photo should have disappeared but here it is again . . .

interview with ground staff in Flying Control . . . .

 

I hope this helps

That is interesting the vehicle used being a Standard Van or Car, Light Utility with flat body sides canvas top and sides similar to this one  

38 minutes ago, ted angus said:

The picture is no longer visible ???? Ted

At the time of my post the image was not available Ted

14 hours ago, ruxy said:

Well - yes  , defo vehicle with STOP illuminated box , so can only assume the rear is  "Follow-me"  ,  looks like Larry has a good lead & much more research starting ,,

I'm not sure you can make the assumption a vehicle displaying a stop sign in a top box when viewed from the from necessarily had a follow me board on the rear but unfortunately the posted photo is no longer available for scrutiny. I have, as I’m sure many others have looked at many photos online in personal collections and books on the R.A.F yet remarkably no wartime recollection of air or ground crew using such a dedicated marked vehicle has come to light nor a clear dated image emerged.

23 hours ago, LarryH57 said:

Baz, do any of the Chilwell lists exist online? 

1 hour ago, Richard Farrant said:

Rob van Meel (Groucho Publishing) produced the copies. There are no Air Ministry contracts in it only ones for B vehicles for RAOC Chilwell supply purposes.

Richard

I would suggest this is now completely off topic a curio of the Chilwell list is this:- 

I used to assume vehicles listed on the Chilwell list were purely for the Army and were soft skins, not so 1/2 tracks some A/C's Armoured command post and vehicles used by the Royal Marines often drawn from Army stock so carried Army Census numbers. To get an idea of miriad vehicle types used by the Army and Airforce around D-Day a small training pamphlet Rafting and Bridging of April 44 is quite an eye opener and going back to the beginning of this post No CMP - C60 tanker is listed in either the listing of vehicles for the Army or Airforce for Europe and only the Army list CMP-C60 as GS and Office bodies but would suggest taking any of the above as totally correct only with a pinch of salt

22 hours ago, LarryH57 said:

Baz, do any of the Chilwell lists exist online? 

Hi Larry I don't know of any Chilwell list existing online and I have only seen copies of the one titled

"Allocation by Central Census Tanks and Vehicles of "B" Vehicles W.D. Numbers  first edition Royal Army Ordnance Corps Central Ordnance Depot, Chilwell Nov 44" 

The copy I owned (lent out not returned denied having) was the same as one loan to me for copying and is on full scape paper not easily copied on my A-4 photocopier. For my own reasons I transferred that copy on to my computer and subsequently rearranged its format digitally so I can be retrieved information using a search function. I believe someone in the Netherland did a reprint but that was long ago. I would say the copy I had was upto 23rd Nov 1944 with looseleaf additions upto the end of the war 

Matador, as in AEC parlance I understand refers to the 4 x 4 AEC Matador 0453 chassis where as the 6 x 6 variant is an AEC 0854 same cab no name but often referred to as a Matador 6 x 6 just to confuse  

Could be but the one in the drawing layout is not the same as the one offered - what there is each side midway along the side rail a substantial lashing / tie down ring while across the rear inplace of the roller? shown in the drawing is a bar suited to support manually handled loading ramps - its available and open to offers but needs to go by the end of the month 

Could be - but it would be a short motorboat bed length about 14ft

The vehicles I can find listed as tanker/refueling for the RAF UK/Europe are

Albion A.M. 463      4 x 2,           350-gal Petrol Tanker

AEC. 854 & 0854,    6 x 6,           2,500-gal Petrol Tanker (used by RAF & USA-AC)

Bedford QL,             4 x 4,           950 & 1,000-gal Petrol Tanker 

Fordson WOT1,        6 x 4           1,000-gal Petrol Tanker

Plus a number of Tractor towable Trailer Oil/Petrol Tanker units:-

CMP Chevrolet vehicles listed as Tanker on the Chilwell list are in Census number range

L-5590405 – 5590504            Contract SM-2582

L-5809000 – 5809029            Contract SM-6122     

L-5833357 - 5833456             Contract SM-2582

L-6233265 - 6233267             Contract SM-6060

Shown is a WW-2 vintage British? 4-wheel step frame trailer fitted with hand winch. Possibly Ex-RN some plates attached but not taken the time to look. The owners would prefer the trailer to go to someone who will use/restore it. It is a restoration project and requires a beavertail type vehicle to take away. Any questions please PM-me and I’ll do my best to answer your questions – location Cams / Essex border  - No realistic offer will be refused or very reluctantly it will go for scrap

My humble opinion is Combat dealers should never be confused in any way with the real world; I have tried to watch the program each series but to date never get to see a complete offering I do try.   It’s possibly that many of the deals shown on the show are just for television and in no way representative of the Hobby if you would call it that. If you enjoy it and I’m sure many do then continue to follow the antics portrayed on the screen, its television

The above is interesting and both responses appear genuine but which is right. It's so easy to remanufacture a Jeep and apparently get authentication so establishing provenance very much a case of buyer beware. With regard to the auction house not amending the vehicles advertised description is unfortunate and possibly unlawful.  Some friends attending Goodwood a couple of years back drew an auction house attention to an incorrect description of a vehicle offered in the sale, the auction house concerned immediately checked the validity of the complaint and issued an immediate update with a revised estimate, again buyer beware or take a mate or two who might just know a little more than you do after all they will not be wearing the rose tinted glasses of desire 

I believe those that didn't go to the Middle East went to some former Russian  Baltic country with few remaining in the UK

I'm sure in good old fashioned british military way of doing things not covered in then King's regulations improvisation came to the fore and a way of dealing with uninvited visiting aircraft came in-to play 

Not sure you can call a SAXON (APC) an armoured car as it's intended role was troop transport under armour. The vehicle is I believe based on a Bedford frame and running gear with either a Bedford 500 diesel (early versions) or latterly a Cummins BT 6-91 litre diesel with a few acquiring Peak one-man turrets as fitted to some 432's with a GPMG  - desirable all the same

Cynically - after the bucks

5 hours ago, Surveyor said:

How much of the original has to be there to verify the age?

From listening to those who have had jeeps "verified" it appears to depend on who turns up on the day after all if you own a jeeps you have an astonishing aftermarket spares packages available leading back to what constitutes original  

1 hour ago, LarryH57 said:

I think the caravan started out as accomodation and got converted, so in a sense its not going to be on a list of official RAF caravans

12 hours ago, Goncalo Mendes said:

Was searching about RAF runway caravans, and find this post. I never seen anything about a " 2-wheel 8-berth Personnel", please anyone as more information about this?

Many thanks,

G_Mendes

Attached is a copy of Appendix "D" covering RAF Trailers from a Military Training Pamphlet No-74 Rafting and Bridging published April 1944 first item under 2-wheeled trailers = 8-berth personnel