Baz48

On 2/11/2019 at 3:49 PM, LarryH57 said:

I should have said, old vehicles in a new scheme in WW2 happened a great deal.

The only problem in MV circles is giving a newer vehicle a retro scheme from a time before it was made!

People will always be tempted 

From memory there are two carb types fitted on a Munga - one where the two-stroke oil is mixed in the petrol tank with an agitator the other when the oil is pumped from the oil tank under the hood to a point between the carb and the inlet manifold - my Munga had the first type and spares for the carb were readily available  

18 hours ago, 64EK26 said:

Hi

Vehicle is from contract V3964 (for 6355 vehicles), this was for various types of MW's, but mainly MWD's.

Data from contract card

Z4427893 - Z4427992 type A/T (100 vehicles)

Z4427993 - Z4428426 type MWC (434 vehicles)

Z4428427 - Z4434247 type MWD (5821 vehicles)

The data on the contract card disagrees with that of the Chillwell census

the Z number you have is a war time rebuild number,

taken from the Chilwell list as was my previous post Z before the census number indicates a 15 cwt Truck the Chilwell list is a good place to start not a definitive answer 

The Chilwell list it's basically  Army vehicle numbers from 1 to 6277385  contract number catalog ref no (never seen the catalog)  make and type occasionally who the vehicles were allocated to or previous owner was with everything between plus numbers not allocated.

Chilwell list gives Z-1613059 as a rebuilt while Vauxhall give chassis number 31248 a 1942 build date

Without wanting to dampen your enthusiasm I would suggest asking the DVLA and your insurance company as to my untrained interpretation of vehicle law you would be required to be licensed as you are looking at hire and reward and all that entails. What type of vehicle is being used is irrelevant it’s the fact money is being asked for in exchange for transport.

Not sure I have been paying attention somehow missed this interesting restoration. I have heard of Petrol AEC Matadors my father spoke of an odd one in his unit along with what he called Canadian Matadors meaning FWD Tractor 4 x 4 Medium used alongside Matadors to haule 3.7 AA guns. 

I came across this in a Chilwell list its the only entry mentioning A.E.C petrol Matadors

19 hours ago, landrover nick said:

can i ask Baz 48 if there is infomation on bedford mw production figures in the copy you have ? if there is i would be happy to pay for a copy

 

Hi Nick the pamphlet I mention is available I've seen copies offered for sale at shows like W&P and Stoneleigh covering the period 1927/8 to 1949 I suspect the part you might be interested in is from 1940 the first entry mentioning MW's and last MW entry in 1945. What particular year are you interested in the information given is minimal

I have a copy of a pamphlet entitled "BEDFORD VEHICLES  and VAUXHALL CARS supplied to Government Contracts or M.O.W.T Release January 1944" giving OY 3-ton WD chassis for 1941 as OY-36101 to OY-51178 with engine numbers for that period as OY-61672 to OY-79005

Harvey Frost cranes in the back of ex-military Land Rovers was once common practice - but never say never but unlikely

21 hours ago, LarryH57 said:

But equally I have seen MVs with white edging

Indeed in the UK unlikely in theater of operation - interesting photo all the same - 

On 1/5/2019 at 8:05 PM, LarryH57 said:

In a mad rush to protect MVs in 1939-40 many were camouflaged and then in a mad rush to make them visible in the dark many had white edging applied. Apparently 1941 was the worst year for road deaths in the UK, namely due to the blackout.

I understand a 2" white band was required to be painted around  the wings front and back of civilian vehicles as an aid to being seen at night it's unusual to see one along the side and no hint of one on the front or rear wings of the subject vehicle possibly its purpose is to stop people walking into its side

Not had one of these do you know what it is for a while. The darker patches on the tailboard and rear side of the lorry sides could be an attempt at camouflage that seems at odds with the apparent white side rail of the load bead. Sentry could be Army or Home Guard the men around the wreck appear civilian as dose the lorry (has a closed cab and looks to predate the war) a nice little earner for the contractor and any souvenir hunter among the local youngsters who no doubt got there first, if a friends anecdotes of that time are correct.

I believe all of the comments made above were made in good faith and what the authors of those posts believed to be correct. A call to the DVLA may be beneficial in regards to legality. The Jimmy is I think an interesting conversion and your mods to the loadbead make it more practical usable vehicle, a vehicle I toyed with bidding on when it was offered for sale. This is a useful forum littered with people who know their subject, the trick is knowing if what's on here is relevant to your needs

9 hours ago, 2ndArmourMad said:

The truck is registered as a flat bed so there is no issue with carrying stuff, the truck is also plated upto 9500kilos but weighs less then a standard 353. 

AS the vehicle is plated so assume its MOT'd and liable for tax as a goods vehicle then assume it is registered and insured as such not historic then carrying goods is not an issue - subject to the driver having the correct licencing category covering the maximum authorised mass for the vehicle type being driven loaded or otherwise - I agree with GTB-Man

Looks a good project certainly worth saving not sure about the tipping gear probably used to transport grain from farm to silo if  my reading of the contract number is right V.3933 two batches produced against that contract L-239172 to 239388 and later L-759851 to 761099 including a number produced against contract V.3992 - but I could be wrong

Cab from the floorpan up looks very like that used on the Seddon lorries of the late sixties early seventies

Begs the question what is this show for and to keep people coming back year after year- the enthusiast to showcase there pride and joy - the public to enjoy - the owner and backers bank account - or what - to penalise those who make a last minute decision to take a vehicle - time will tell - the price hike closer to the show also applies to stalls - lets hope its a great success and probably becomes the business model for similar shows to follow 

I agree that's an interesting colour photo of a series one, (ted angus) have you any more, certainly hard to ignore it as it says on the door Apron Control vehicle  and like the follow me board attached to the rear no disputing its function.  I agree with ‘ruxy’ the distance from the rear wheel arch to the B-door post looks too great for an 80-in S/W/B so possibly a 107-in ? One point regarding follow me vehicles apart from as yet no photo evidence of RAF use in WW2, how many would be required to receive the average inbound aircraft from a raid or fighter sweep would for example aircraft be required to orbit until a follow me became available or land on as soon as the runway was cleared and land then clear the runway possibly follow the taxiway as per instructions until an airman guided them into a dispersal and shutdown. Personally I think if a follow me vehicle was deemed to be of use by the station commander then a vehicle would likely as not be configured for such a use after all who would take issue with him in regulations or not. The reference in the book to a vehicle so configured relates only to one Airfield and not a group or command and not an Air-Min publication

6 hours ago, Bowser1107 said:

I get the impression from the photo that the bonnet the young Waaf is sat on is Yellow and possibly the front (if not all) of the canvas tilt is yellow.

I can only ASSUME that ONE vehicle carried out the role of 'Follow Me' (FM) and traffic control but I am aware that there were barriers along the A16 at Grimsby (in what form can not longer be determined), and I have no doubt even the humble 'Erk' could have indicated that the road was going to be closed to on-coming traffic and then dragged/placed a barrier of sorts across the road.  I would also presume you would STOP the traffic in both directions so more than just one man needed and the fact that the STOP sign is visible from the front indicated to ME, that it faced on-coming aircraft and not traffic ? Seemingly both the RAF and USAAF had the F-M vehicle to guide diverted aircraft around airfield sites but I have never heard mention of 'traffic Control ' but perhaps that role was included by the Flying Control Section ??

Would that be 3 or 4 vehicle now with photographic evidence to support the role of FM??

As yet I see no photographic evidence only a photo or two of post-war vehicle of war time vintage serving as control vehicles with STOP across the front nothing to show the rear other than by recollection. With the pamphlets and official documents amassed by member of the forum and public records books and film no definitive text or photo has emerged. It’s interesting to watch film of RAF single seat aircraft operating in NW-Europe Italy and Yugoslavia often carrying a member of the ground crew on the wing gesturing to the driver which direction the aircraft should go. Film of multy engine aircraft appears to show they got around unaided. The first recollection I have of a follow me board on a vehicle was at Wethersfield open day in the fifties and the vehicle used a 6 x 6 GS with a crude hand painted board tied on with rope. Its personal choice something official or recollections

Thay are fun to drive

This  RL been on before though the price has dropped considerably this time round - hope its lucky this time 

I'll bet that made the made the steering a tad lighter

good to hear but not featured in your post hence my previous comment 

unfortunate that no british built or marked vehicle attended