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Bedford Vehicles supplied to the Government list the first Bedford OY chassis as starting at OY-21839 to OY-36100 for 1940 production

Reff vehicles loan for film and TV work, it depends on who the company borrowing the vehicle is. A friend' has loan several of his lorries over the years without regret and received a reasonable sum for it. I suspect it's all in the small print but some people have had an experience while others loan a vehicle for bragging rights just to say its been in this or that for free, personal choice.

The comments above are interesting especially the lack of proper protocol between officer and ranks. I am recording the series to watch at some later date from what I have seen via trailers the CGI looks impressive I was hoping the vehicle might have been reflective of the right vintage and type, well they are British of WWII vintage unfortunately the wrong side of Dunkirk. It's been mentioned the QL is wrong timeline. A book Kaleidoscope of Bedford & Vauxhall Military Vehicles by the late Bart H. Vanderveen gives the first pilot model QL emerged on the road 1st February 1940 and within 4-weeks two more going to MEE at Farnborough for testing accumulating 10,000 miles each  then striped for examination. Faults rectified and limited production (late 1940) ensued 2501 QL-D's and 1771QL-B's with QL series production being from February 1941. Another note for the continuity people Bedford OY depicted in France before Dunkirk would probably be on 32 x 6 tyres not 10-50 x 16 with MW's being aeroscreens and side screens not doors and a full width windscreen. Still it's only someone's interpretation of events why let reality get in the way the story I'm sure in the credits is the name of the technical/military advisor so what's portrayed on screen must be right.

4 hours ago, fv1609 said:

Andy you mentioned "rarity value" but I'm not sure that is always the case.

For some 14 years I used to display a Hornet/Malkara which was very rare indeed. Strangely if I was parked next to a Jeep or Land Rover those vehicles would command more interest from the public than the Hornet.

I think the reason was people would like to own a Jeep/Land Rover, used to drive one or father used to etc whereas people would dismiss the Hornet as not real or home-made, suggesting it was built on a Land Rover asking silly questions about the smoke dischargers (not the missiles for some reason), asking if it floated & endless tapping of the armoured body. Sometimes veterans were the most aggressively dismissive stating that they served in the Army & never saw one so it clearly was a fantasy vehicle of my own making.

It's a shame your Hornet/Malkara was so easily dismissed as not real it has always been a type I find fascinating a typically British bit of kit. A guy I know has/had the Humber 1-ton Malkara resupply vehicle with the wider aluminium rear body.

4 hours ago, GTB MAN said:

As I have been restoring MV for a long time all WW 11.  And some rare ones .I am about half way restoring  a 1950 series’1 Land Rover . Witch is more of a challenge than some of the WW11 trucks  . I hope to take it to any show  as it still part of our history of transport 

This looks a very nice restoration not sure about the seating arrangement certainly a vehicle I would like to see as is at any show, I'm guessing it is an early one.

However nostalgic it would be the thought of following an Albion CX-225 behind a Scammell Pioneer R-100 with their buddy a Leyland Hippo Mk-II bringing up the rear down the lanes of Normandy is  a trip you would remember. I'm sure quite a few people will be grateful they stayed at home this time in quiet retirement. Are the Albion and Hippo residents of Duxford while the Scammell departed that establishment many moons ago. The substitute to the Albion looks totally at home on the beaches of Normandy in keeping with the event you were marking if half a world away from its natural habitat of the Pacific campaign.

The photos from the Sixth M.V.C.G Normandy Tour are superb just seeing them here looking through them thanks for posting. Is that a White or Brockway being recovered from an embarrassing muddy predicament. Looks like the Albion is attached to the Scammell for anchorage during the winching operation. Wonder if the casualty came out of the mud quietly.

The International looks a really nice vehicle, sound like you had an interesting time on the rundown to the ferry lucky you had enough bits and bobs to do a temporary fix and lucky the Copemans were on hand to assist you in La-Belle-France.

More photos and anecdotes please of your commemorative trips to Normandy please

1 hour ago, andym said:

Please don't put words into my mouth. The comments we have received are both unsolicited and from organised feedback.  I didn't say what, if anything we may or may not choose to do about them.

Andy

It is my interpretation on the post, 

I’m astonished an organiser of a MV event thinks it’s alright or imply it’s acceptable to limit the numbers of a particular mark of vehicle entry to a-non specific MV event because members of the public think there are too many of a type. Explain to me why was the comment noted was it in response to a question from an organiser or was it unsolicited from someone who paid to enter or someone’s mate in on a freebie. Why are they described as public are they different from the person using that word. Does it mean those who have parted with hard earn cash to enter a field full or hopefully full of green machines (other colours are available) and be entertained possibly educated and leave feeling the money parted with was worth the expenditure.

I go to a few shows, not many these days I don’t own an ex-MV anymore I have and do assist when asked with MV events and have done for a while. The question of too many of one or other types of vehicles attending a show has been around for as long as I can remember along with what is authentic true to type or someone’s interpretation of an idea or grainy photo.

Recently in conversation with the chairman of the organiser of a show mentioned someone  said they had too many Land-Rovers at a recent show, his comment ‘Fine maybe we’ll make a feature of them next time’ and isn’t that the point make something of the numbers of a mark not discourage. I worked on my first ex-MV in 69 I’m still working on them now I helped organise an MV show in 76 when the late Bart H. Vanderveen was our commentator and judge and have worked on shows almost every year since I’m pleased to say not one of the organisers limited a particular type of vehicle all were and are welcome

Land Rover's light weights or otherwise are entry level vehicles by which new members of M.V groups hone their skills while acquiring the funds to move on should they wish to other types so by limiting the numbers are you saying we're not interested in your vehicle we only want the expensive exotic types. I can remember when Jeeps were considered in the same vein as some people now view Land Rovers. All ex-military vehicles have an equal place on the rally field its not an exclusive club denoted by bank balance.

Not much has changed in this ongoing saga regarding War and Peace (revival or otherwise). Some see it as a cheap holiday with mates in a field surrounded by like minded individuals. Others it’s an opportunity to talk about the olden days when it was so much better then, than now.  I find it unfortunate some appear to proffer the opinion those who are classed as the paying public (so should be restricted to just a few days) are almost an inconvenience to the real reason behind the show which is nothing more or less than for profit. A profit for those who took the risk and coughed up a considerable sum to bring the show alive. The organiser may choose to sweeten someone’s pocket in order to get something a little special. It may cost an individual a lot of money to bring their pride and joy to the show under its own power doing less the 3-to the gallon. It’s a choice if you are worried about your cost, don’t go otherwise enjoy the event its evolving so I’m told

19 hours ago, Nick Johns said:

 your fire extinguisher is similar size to type fitted to Jeep, but the style of the Ford printed on label I'm guessing it to be Post war 1950's for a Ford car/truck?, ...see link below to G503 Jeep Extinguishers,  early Slat grill MB's extinguishers were originally mounted on the right side footwell, but after the glovebox was introduced in '42 the extinguisher mount was moved  across to the drivers left side footwell beside the clutch pedal, ...new repro mounting brackets are available, ...a google search shows more info/pics

http://jeepdraw.com/G503_Fire_Extinguishers.html

Hi thanks for the link – interesting – this extinguisher was bought by a late friend for his (I think) 1942 Ford Jeep. It among other Jeep related items came to light while bringing his Jeep back to life for the family.  Thanks for the link Jeep’s are not a vehicle I’ve had much to do with until recently so learning .

Quick question is this correct for a 42 era Jeep and if so anyone share photos of the mounting bracket and location will be appreciated

Rose tinted glasses are a wonderful thing, how wonderful Folkestone was, realy, went a few times always the same jobsworths W&P staff who's one purpose in life to be as unhelpful and disrespectful as they could. A show has its moments some people like it others don't never changes. For me the best days at W&P are twenty or more years ago for others maybe they are still to come as for CMV lost its charm when two mags became one, I find the club magazines a much better read but this is only my opinion 

2 hours ago, Jolly Jeeper said:

I have been watching this thread on and off as it lengthens (even though I didn't go to W&P this year). Here are  a few of my thoughts about some things that have been talked about for years and some just this year;

1. I am of the opinion that shows - especially big ones like this - have three distinct periods in their time line, a period of growth from their beginnings when it's new and exciting and so more people go along year on year. The second period is of some stability when a show has found a level and is still good so is on something of a plateau and the final period is one of decline as it slides off the plateau. This decline can vary and is affected by all sorts of things and factors; weather, moves of venue, change of organisation, changing fashions, rival events etc etc. (I saw exactly the same thing happen to something nearby years ago - the Kent Custom Bike Show. It started at a cafe on the A20 boomed, moved venues and boomed but eventually declined and ended). Then, in this final period, grumpy old blokes sit around saying, 'it's not as good as it was...' Basically, W&P's glory days are over and they ain't coming back. 

2. Some people on this thread want a big show full of rarities and expect everyone to be as reverential as them. It isn't going to happen - the only way big shows can break even is if big numbers pay to come through the gate. People don't all want the same thing from a show - one group might want it all to be WWII American vehicles, others need to sell stuff, some want to dress up and strut about...

3. Add in the cost of many vehicles, a factor that limits the hobby for many, so - to get big numbers - it's inevitable that there will be impostors and 'odd' replicas. Those people pay their fees that help put the event on so being snobbish about them serves no purpose apart from giving grumpy blokes something to whinge about...

4. Too many Land Rovers? Maybe but they are pretty much - in Britain anyway these days - the only affordable/entry level/call it what you like military vehicle. If anything surprises me about Land Rovers, it's the fact that there aren't more  Malaya/Aden/Kenya/Ulster dioramas

5. No fairgrounds? It's about getting numbers and families through the gate - mind you Carter's Fair with its AEC Matadors always appealed to me  and I'll watch a Wall of Death wherever there is one. If you want a show full of a specific type of armour or vehicles then organise a small, specialist event that isn't reliant on day visitors - Overloon works for example - the more specialist something gets, the fewer it appeals to. 

6. Lack of traders? The traders aren't charities so won't come if they don't make a profit. It costs them a lot to make that profit too - staff, transport, subsistence, security, (ferries in some cases) plus plus... By this line of thinking - there will be lots of Jeep traders because there's lots of Jeeps and owners. eBay has also changed the face of selling for traders too.

Anyway that's a few of my thoughts but the reason I didn't to to W&P in 2019 (and am unlikely to go ever again) is that I can't be bothered to drive to Kent from Yorkshire to use horrible bogs and stand in a beer tent surrounded by Nazis... especially after I got a sh**** email from one of the organisers after mentioning the poor toilets in a magazine article.

Finally, here's a picture of one of my quasi-military Jeeps on its big alloy wheels - it's been to Normandy, W&P, Elvington, Bovington and more over the years (but don't make the mistake of thinking that I have got it because I can't afford a 'real' one as I have owned it for 30 years).

Toodle pip,

JC

 

 

Think that about says it all – nice Jeep

Not been on here for a while had a few slightly more pressing things to do, War & Peace I see the comments about the show are following the usual pattern. Like it or not we all have an opinion and with rose coloured glasses looking back into the mists of time to the golden age, what golden age it will be a different point in time for each of us, my choice would be when the show was at Tenterden or the early days at the Hop-Farm with fantastic traders with good quality parts and spares you just don’t see the like of now. That said what I saw of the show this year I enjoyed. As I no longer own an ex-military vehicle I was asked by a friend to drive one of his trucks down while he drove the other. Booking in for once a doddle, helpful staff and no shouting to do this or don’t do that. Stalls, honestly disappointing, large gaps in the various camping fields and display area. Food vendor’s plentiful differing quality in offerings, the tow team professional when we blocked an exit with a vapour locked truck soon had us out of the way and running again, all with a helping hand and smiles even a handshake wishing us well as we meandered back to our plot. The drive back late on Thursday in the hail with high winds and rain interesting, apology to those who think unpleasant thoughts of those who arrive late and go early we are individuals with the choice  

Back in the day when we were oh-so young -  

Scammell with spare on-top as mentioned above

On 3/28/2019 at 9:51 PM, Surveyor said:

Not sure if this is the vehicle

That is an Albion WD/HD/23N 10-ton 6 x 4 equipped as standard with a very large and thirsty petrol engine and an equally large and expensive to fill 100-gal petrol tank not very quick but easy and fun to drive provided you weren't paying for fuel 3- miles to the gallon at 27-mph

12 hours ago, David Herbert said:

I find it astonishing that these kind of parts are still out there to be found, so long after they were of any real commercial use.

My first MV was a Bedford MWR which I acquired in 1970 and at that time there were almost no new spares available because the enthusiast infrastructure did not really exist. On the other hand there were lots of reasonably good trucks in scrapyards that weren't particularly rusty but had no use so they got scrapped.

David

David it's called networking - you knew the guy from whence it came

Possibly those who had issues with hot engines and vapor lock in petrol 432's could be related to the fan drive not operating correctly - as said I didn't have issues always started easily hot or cold and till now was unaware there were issues with petrol powered 432's - but you live and learn 

I ran a petrol 432 for many years without issue summer of winter - the only thing that let it down once was the starter motor failed while driving to a show - did a pack lift with a 434 and changed the starter while at the show then two hours home

certainly making progress - 

Nice clear photos – thanks for posting  

I will see how many there are

22 hours ago, Radek said:

Do you have any Austin lorry records? I am interesting for my research. Thanks Radek

Hi Redek - all I have is the Chilwell list which is concerned with Army Soft Skin Vehicles - it dose give contract numbers against census numbers and in a few instances end users - not sure if this helps