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Thanks Clive, after lots of rummaging I've also found out my ERM working back from the chassis number and the Merlin Archive. Turns out it is a Paratow and an ex-generator trailer!
FVE21A/3803 is Paratow.
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I've run my Ambulance on its standard 1974 dated coil for the past 14 years with no ill effect.
When I fitted a kit to the 2.25P in the 88in S1 last year I went with a fancy red powerspark one as I was getting kit/leads/plugs etc and freshening the engine up anyway. No real improvement that I can detect, they both start instantly and run beautifully as most fettled 2.25P do
Alec.
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I was idly looking to see if I could determine which manufacturer made my Mk2 WT (a true Mk2, not an updated Mk1, with the later recessed Hydratow Mk4 Hitch) as its Body/ERM plate is missing but the chassis plate is there (FVE21A/3803).
I started pooling references from various photos and the limited documents I have, I came up with the following:
Widetrack Trailer Contracts
Mk1
Contract: WV12094 - ?Mk2
Contract: FVE21A/352 - Arrow Construction Equipment Ltd
Contract: FVE21A/3801 - GKN Sankey
Contract: FVE21A/3802 - Arrow Construction Equipment Ltd
Contract: FVE21A/3803 - ??Contract: FVE21B/82 - ?
Mk3
Contract: LVIA/231 - Universal Engineering
Contract: LVIA/155 - Viking Trailers
Contract: ???????? - Paratow LtdDoes anyone have some more info/contributions to add? I thought it may be an interesting subject (or rabbit hole depending on your level of obsession, ha ha).
Alec.
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Old Topic I know, but if anyone happens to have saved copies of the docs mentioned here, I'd be most appreciative of a copy myself:
FV987957 iss 05.pdf
FV987957FI iss 01.pdf
FV987958 iss 05.pdf
FV987958FI iss 01.pdf
Hakenkupplung NATO hitch.pdfCheers, Alec.
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That's an excellent example! Like the note for when its used with the No.3 Cooker.
The "Trade Pack" No. 4 of 240 did make me chuckle, the Military didn't do their orders by half eh!?
Alec.
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Hi Folks,
Looking for a couple of the Remote Stands for cooking over the spare H-Burners from a No.4 Sankey Kitchen. Supplied to go in the vehicle rather than included in the trailer so they often go astray.
Please PM if you have ones to spare, thanks.
Alec.
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7 minutes ago, DINGODOUG said:
Alec, BT have just told me that my emails did not get delivered to you so I have now lost track of what is happening. It may be easier to email me on douglasmatheson@btinternet.com. cheers Doug.
Oh they most certainly have been! The one from your Ipad anyway. Coincidentally I replied earlier.
Alec.
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Still looking, particularly for the triple unit.
Cheers, Alec.
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Still looking if anyone has any in the back of their storage sheds/bottom of their scrap piles!
Cheers, Alec.
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I have spent many hours perusing the site. The search terminology can be a nightmare but if you persevere its amazing what turns up!
Alec.
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Due to the proximity of the exhaust manifold/front pipe to the "Dash", it may or may not serve as a fire-wall
Superb job as always, nicely thought out and always good to see things being bolted on.
Alec.
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This site is a continuous source of surprise and information!
A Nuffield Jeep, a bob-tailed lightweight Jeep, never heard of one before! Will be interesting to follow this refurb.
Were they mass produced, or a limited-numbers type thing?
Alec.
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Still Looking 😃
Alec.
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Nicely done, excellent fit.
Alec.
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Patents are a fickle reference source i'm afraid.
Something that was on the 10th variant may reference the initial patent, just to cover themselves so to speak.
It is a good starting point though and generally shows what they were thinking and where they were going 👍
Alec.
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2 hours ago, Mark Ellis said:
Alec, would you happen to have a better page 12 please?
Mine looks to have the same source, I cleaned it up many years ago bu the same page tear is there. Easy to work out the missing wording though.
Clive, the front page I have on the '62 document has been defaced, probably to remove the "Restricted" markings and the WO reference. At the bottom of the page is quoted 1962 and J2-JB 10912.
The VAOS I have with the equipment list is Section J2 57/Vocabulary/382 dated June '39, this is the earliest version I have found in my research on the Hydra. It also lists items that were quite rapidly phased out so its a bit of a red-herring in terms of what was subsequently used in practice but its useful for the early stuff.
The '45 57/General(A)/4196 is also a really useful one made by the DCS as it shows the later improvements and what was in-use at the end of the war. A number of these were improved again and the '62 document is really representative of what was in-use until they were phased out in the 80s.
Alec.
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51 minutes ago, fv1609 said:
Mark what is the designation of the document ie EMER, WO/Army Code No.?
Its War Office Publication J2-JB 10912 (1962) 👍
Alec.
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20 hours ago, Mark Ellis said:
Was the No. 4 Mk 1 a trailer as well then? I thought it was a stand alone stove for some reason.
They were collapsible solid-fuelled stoves, the largest component part designed to be carried comfortably by two persons.
Alec.
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The 2 and 3s were made by a couple of different manufacturers to the same basic spec.
The 4 Mk1 Portables were sometimes known as Triplex (one of the suppliers, or the one that submitted the first basic design).
The 4 Mk2 would have been an assemblage of components. One company to make the trailer (Arrow, Sankey, possibly Brockhouse, GKN, Universal Engineering, etc etc), one to supply the burners/petrol equipment/Latterly the LPG Equipment. The CES will help to identify what was what, and then further dissect via suppliers list/NSN number as far as you can go. But they would have been supplied by a manufacturer/supplier under a specific contract code (The trailers were their own B Vehicle).
Alec
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On 9/14/2023 at 12:51 PM, AlienFTM said:
I've been away from HMVF for some time.
It wasn't un-noticed... I thoroughly enjoy your insight, hindsight and input in general!
Alec.
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No.7 is a hybrid. From memory an Optimus 80 with a 123R burner but I cant quite recall. There are a few topics on it and lots of examples in the galleries over on CCS Forum
Theres no makers names on my No.6s, I believe they were a fairly small batch produced for evaluation purposes, but look at the supplier's lists for NSN 7910-99-138-3660, to see if that produces any more info. One of my containers is stamped J&F P /I\ 85, that rings a bell as something like Jones & Fellowes who produced all kinds of deep-drawn steel and aluminium items/cookwear. Again a few topics were posted on CCS, including a post about one chap who had them with him on an expedition on trial.
Alec.
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No its not, that has a kind of Prentiss-Wabers/American look about it but I'm not sure what make/model it is.
Alec.
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Oh yes absolutely.
That is the burner unit used in the No.4 Mk2 LPG version, still used in the last versions of the Sanky Trailer Field Kitchens, colloquially known as an H-Burner for obvious reasons, ha ha. Originally the same H-Shaped burner and vapouriser assembly was petrol-fuelled and had its own little petrol-fuelled preheating burner.
The petrol units were later converted to LPG when the switch was made, they can be identified by a blanking plug where the preheater burner was, along with a bracket for the burner. Later ones as per your photo were LPG designed/had a specific manifold from the outset.
The petrol fuelled version utilised a 2-Gallon pressurised tank which was essentially a No.1 Hydra Burner without its burner but fitted with a 4-valve distribution manifold for the 4 feed-hoses to the H-Burner units.
Those H-Burners can also be used independently as you see in the photos, just fed from a 1-Bar regulator/hose for quick boiling/feeding duties. There is also an angle-iron frame thats supplied when they are used individually for supporting large pots (to save them bouncing around on the burner themselves!), I have a support frame myself and use it with a burner when i'm doing pickling or boiling duties amongst other things in the shed, very handy!
I'll try to find photos but I'm bunged up with a hellish head cold and struggling just now..
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10 Cwt…. 2 Wheeled Lightweight Murex Welding Trailer Restoration.
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I spotted that one listed and did wonder if you'd buy it 😁
Alec