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they will only dip on public roads or if they have evidence of a vehicle being used on public roads. I think what the poster meant was they were dipping as they came through the gates after being on a public road. You can use red derv sump oil kerosene cooking fat what ever you like on private land.

"They drew fuel from the pipe as it has been quite common practice to fit a concealed tank to run on red diesel whilst having white in the normal tank so no problems would be apparent when the tank was dipped."

 

 

Some fridge artics on long runs used to have 3000l belly tanks on tailer to run fridges on red derv. I have seen many which had the third (blue airline) piped to supply diesel to tractor unit when running continental. They still used to get caught when entering UK as customs would unplug and smell blue airline then look for markers of dye in filter bowls.

have many stories about red diesel as we tow lots of vehicles for HMCR.

A Transit twin wheeler was stopped in a road side check suspected of being over weight. while awaiting to go over scales driver sneeked of and was never seen again.

In the back of it was many modern iso tanks all full of central heating oil. long hoses batteries and electric pump and cordless tank drill. It turned out the truck had been reported stolen a year previous and was on false plates. it had been taken from a rental company and the truck was running on red derv.

Because of insurance excess the rental co had stood the loss of the vehicle their selves. It took 4 1/2 months to get sorted out with HMCR while rest of vehicles in fleet where tested and recipts produced.

They then had to pay to have vehicle towed about 300 miles back to there yard in a northen scottish town

HMRC show no mercy when it comes to tax evasion

The fine for first time offenders in non commercial vehicles is £500 on the spot plus any towing fees to have vehicle removed of public road. Plus any vehicles with the same owner will usually be dipped at the same time. Second offence i think is unlimited but as a start duty is calculated at a rate of how much desiel will have been used during ownership of vehicle and how much you can produce recipts for going back seven years. Also watch it when buying direct from mod One we had came with a full tank but a quick smell told it was kerosene and as such if caught driving it would have been classed as above

i have never driven one regulally only the one we purchased. I agree it does seem slow to build up air. But there is a lot of reservoirs to fill. But having said that a lot of modern vehicles take an age if starting with MT tanks. I think a better view to take is can it with heavy shunting about with out dropping its air ours seems fine.

Question for you whats the steering like ours when stationary feels as though nothing is working. Move forwards or backward only a fraction of an inch and its perfect. Have been out to recover perhaps 20 of them for MOD but all have had dead engines so havent driven one can compare with. Drivers of vehicles say they are all like it But to me when staionary with a few revs on should a least be able to wobble steering wheel.

Many thanks for that Richard

Went on site and typed in LEps Goole Diamond T first lead it came up with photo taken outside the very warehouse i spoke to the guy in off North Street in Goole. Going to Go back on site and have another look. Know for sure wasnt dreaming now.

My mistake typing error Yes £165. Lot of years ago a had a motorhome based on 7.5 ton Leyland roadrunner chassis at that time it was same price as my car but i forget what it was. Both the one i have now and that one were Moted at local Council Depot

I have a 26ft 6.8 ton Fleetwood Flair RV My mate has one 34ft we both pay £168 per year.

Just a thought was it first registered on this date three years ago my car renwal has just arrived and it has the same thing wrote on it but obviously it was new on registration and will be requiring MOT at three years old

 

It would still only be an opinion albeit a legal view and if lawyers were always right they would never lose a case:D. Looking at it from another angle how about checking to see if there has already been a court case to set a precedent, if there has then you would know definitely one way or the other.

Reason i said get an opinion they check regards the law and suggest if further opinion is required if cut and dried they state this or at least the have on the two occasions i have reason to use them. Both were in connection with the transport recovery industry. When they give their opinion they will quote precedents. i would sooner trust their advice than that some of the barrack room lawyers who post on here. Their cost arnt as great as you would imagine and they will stand up and argue your case if they think your right

Why not contact the relevant authorities (DVLA/VOSA/Police) & try to get something firm in writing from them if you believe all is well, at least that way if anything does happen that turns out not to be in compliance with whatever regs/law you will have some form of defense.. just a thought...

Good idea but none of the above would back you up in court. I think a better idea would be to get an opinion from say the RHA assoiation lawyer or Somebody who has lawyers connected with the transport industry

I think this issue of overwidth will go on for a long time. People think they have found loopholes in the laws and have convinced them selves they are running legal. Up to now i favour Antarmikes interpretaion of the laws.

Someone asked "why are there so many overwidth old vehicles in recreational use if it is illegal?

Beacuse although technically illegal, at the moment police and Vosa don't really care."

Up to now we havnt had a mini bus full of people hit a overwidth vehicle bumper at head hieght. Feel sure Police Vosa and every Claims lawyer in country would take a much greater interest. Plus i would hate to have to get my insurance company to reinstate my policy and defend the claim

£200 a ton heavy vehicles complete non decontaminated eg tyres fluids still on

freespace.virgin.net/scammell.man/index2.htm

 

there is a simple scale drawing of an explorer on this link although i dont now if the dimensions are the same as the pioneer

Its all up in the air at the moment but might be trading in a Leyland martian Recovery vehicle it is in very good condition and would be for sale it is in near army condition and has not been knocked about modified except for rear lights and paint work cab tin work good lots of history can only sell to good home thats condition of current owner any one interested

still curious to know what you have done to make it legal to drive over width vehicle on the road for 400 miles to a fun event

many years ago around about the mid 70s to late 70s i was looking for a heavy recovery vehicle for our business. my girlfriend (now my long suffering wife of 32 years) father worked on the docks at Goole Yorks. He told me ther was two heavy recovery vehicles stored in packing cases ready to be assembled at a warehouse in North street Goole. He made arrangements and i was taken on to the docks to see a guy whose name i forget now to talk to. I asked him about these vehicles but alas they had been taken away 2 years previosly by a scrap man from north cave. He did mention they had a big winch on them and a big box but no crane as he could remember. His uncle said they came in during the war by the boat load and went to a company down the road called LEP packaging were they were assembled and sent out by train. He also mentioned they said Diamond t on the paper work and the cabs had open tops. I have trawled the net and can find nothing to confirm any of this have i dreamt it all

Hi went to a wedding reception at Shipton by Benningbourgh nr York. It was a Hotel called the Sidings. it is between a railway line and the A19 the restaurant is two railway carridges. Also there is a restaurant right on the pavement on beverly rd hull alled the Cannon this is a railway carridge http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Hull_And_Barnsley_Beverley_Road_Bridge.jpg

Brilliant works a treat beauty is you can put say a wheel cylinder in and it it dont affect the seals. only attacks the rust. And if you forget about it like me it on cleans component not eat it away

Been there to day Lots of vehicles there already and stalls setting up Looks like it will be a busy event

Seen Sooty and Sweep in the nude towed Mathew Corbit in when his brand new Volvo estate and big caravan cooked its torque converter on M62 Next job i did that day was tow an old transit to Bradford with members of a group called Paper Lace they were No1 at the timewith Billy Dont Be a Hero

dolly out emmerdale made me a cup of tea when i towed her blokes car back to her house

 

met a guy once who who recokoned he knew the guy who made Buddy Holly famous (the pilot of his plane)

Tony,

It is a Tilling Stevens TS20, and dual rear wheels are correct, it is a 4x2. The only one I know of was restored by Bill Hooker in Kent some years ago, and I think it must be that one.

 

found this posting could this be the owner

90 cm Searchlight at W & P

 

 

 

To add if you look back you will see i fancied a foden drops but i was put off by advice from various agencys.

Although mine was to be used commercially as a recovery vehicle and with hindsight it pobably be made road legal. Maybe i was to cautious. To me it was a big investment with equipment on the back to end up with a white elephant.

As for restiering private i see no problems as you are not asked any questions regards how the vehicle is built. The problem comes when using the vehicle if something trajic happens and it does not conform to all the relavant regulations. The buck stops with the driver. Anyway best of luck with the project let us know how you go on

Sorry for sounding abrupt in my last reply, but I have heard alot from people saying that you can't register a Foden DROPs at 9.5ft wide for the road as a private user, strangely the same people that run around the country in a 10.5ft wide vehicle (for fun) whilst towing an over width trailer AND a living trailer. :cool2:

 

 

Please do go on and explain more, or could you show me where this post is?

 

The first poster Stal 108 was talking STO catagory i asked what had happened to make Foden eliagable for STO.

As for private use as you suggest i have no idea.

The only other examples i can give is when taking vehicles for plating and testing. We still run a volvo f10 that failed its first test on body to wide. this was due mis measurement by myself this was an absolute pain and involved a lot of work to alter it came out 20mm to wide. I also looked after 6 concrete mixers built from new all these had to have side guards and rear wings altered at first test these begin 30mm to wide