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Read the first line of his post again he says the DVLA inspected the vehicle before they would register it. Once having inspected it they the DVLA deemed it to be registrable. Enough said really he hasn't done anything wrong he followed the correct procedure at the time to register a 432. Without wishing to condemn the DVLA this issue should have been sorted out when the first 432 was passed into civilian life. Its a bit late to be calling time on this when it should never have arisen in the first place. :mad:

 

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Note the DVLA have done their job correctly All they want to know when they inspect a vehicle is has it a uniquie Chassis number thats not on their data base already. The people who examine the vehicle niether know or care if the vehicle is road legal or not. In fact i doubt they can tell if its a 432 a bus or a cows A?$e. Its the regestered owners and subsequant drivers responsibility to make sure if its road legal. Too many people on here assume because its got a tax disc its ok to ride about flaunting the laws of the land alas this is OK until some thing goes wrong then who ever it happens to will feel like the whole world is raining down on them.

To change the subject I think Antar Mike is the only person who has suggested a way forward by applying for a SVA.

This means some brave sole is going to have to apply for an examination (it cant be done on mass the SV stands for Single Vehicle). This will then bring to light anything that has to be done to get a 432 through an examination. Thus if feasable paving the way for other owners.

Over the last six years I have owned two 432's the first one was inspected by the DVLA before they would register it, five of us also took our H license in it on the public highway and the Department of Transport also came out and inspected it before they would agree that we could take our tests in it.This vehicle has done over 1000 road miles without any problems.

It has also been driven to MENCAP charity events and Traffic Police have also been in it on the road.

I purchased the second one in February this year from Withams and registered it in April without it being inspected as they said they knew what type of vehicle it was and did not need to inspect it as they had already registered a number of these before, I had more trouble trying to register a RB44 but thats another story.

None of which proves anything none of the above will be stood shoulder to shoulder with you in the dock if you are up for a serious offence. the dammed things are illegal in civillian use for your purpose. But i suspect you already know this and are trying to consoul yourself that you bought a product thats unfit for purpose and have fallen foul of buyer beware Regestering a vehicle dont mean its street legal thats the responsibility of the owner

All you have done with your post is state you have driven a totally illegal vehicle 1000 miles on a public road

if you read antar mikes posts the people selling them are saying they aint street legal basically you cant no get clearer than that no matter what you do after that no amount of mitigation will help

road registerd , taxed , insured , and driven by a driver with a full h licence , also being escorted , so im my mind there is no problame :-D

what more can i say you have just shot your self in the foot admiting to driving an over width vehicle with no justifiable reason and brakes that dont conform to Cand U

but its all ok because its road registerd , taxed , insured , and driven by a driver with a full h licence , also being escorted. Dont think it would take particularlly brainy lawyer to tear a hole in your defence if god forbid you happened to come a cropper

But ha ho you do what you want just dont try encouraging others to do same

are we really having this 432 discussion again , ive been out in my 432 today, was a lovley day for it :-D

Couple of questions

1 do you you mean you have been driving about on public roads ??

2 If so how do you justify in your own mind the legality of this ??

:-( Crumbs wish i never asked.

 

If anybody can give me a simple answer [before i buy one] in one sentence pm me please.

 

Adrian

I would say say you could buy one regesteir it (although DVLA semed to have cottoned on) but not legally drive it on the road for pleasure.

Antar mike i think you are correct in that vehicles built under STGO reg s can be taxed and used for private as they obviously were for that use. What iam getting at is other vehicles that were built for crown use but have been regesister using spurious means while never been intended for use under STGO regs been driven on public roads

So are we all in agreement there is no way you can use an over width vehicle for pleasure or private use then on public roads and i have brought this up before including Foden Drops and stalwarts

My personal favourites have always being the three overseas brands Volvo Scania and Daf. All seemed more driver friendly (easier to drive more power) owner fiendly (more economy )than their British equivelents.

Draw back nowadays would be finding non rotton examples. I have noticed the seventys style cab as fitted to Daf 2800 etc is still in use with the Dutch army and Scania squarish style cabs as fitted to 110s etc are still produced new in Brazil.

Good runners of ERF b series still crop up

Your posting has reminded me of something that happened to me. About 45 years ago. My father drove a recovery vehicle for local company we had been out all day towing a vehicle from east Yorks back to Manchester i was taken along for the ride as a school kid. As we came back a thick fog decended. As we arrived at the depot the petrol pump attendant ran out and said the local Docter had rung up and asked for my dad to give him a hand on a job a little way down the road. In those days the Fire Brigade didnt attend RTAs. When we arrived the whole scene was that of people oggling a guy being trapped in a bedford TK crushed into the back of an eight wheeler truck. I had to sit in the wrecker an AEC materdor and i watched my dad drive the eight wheeler truck forwards clear of the scene. he then hung the winch rope on the screen pillar of the Tk and winched the front of the cab out. Then i remember he came bare chested to the cab and asked me to take my shirt of he went back to the accident scene and seconds later i saw the driver being lift out and put into an ambulance. Next i saw my dad smack a guy so hard he went like a ton of bricks, He was promptly put in the same ambulance.

Later that evening i was in bed but heard voices so crept to the bottom of the stairs i heard my mum dad and doctor and the village bobby talking. I remember the Dr saying regardless of wether their going to make it or not you dont talk about it in front of them. The Bobby said something along the lines Ok so i will make sure it goes no further.

As an aside to this very shortly after this the Dr Mekienze started a scheme called the Flying Doctor to cover RTAs in East Yorkshire and my dad who went on to become a publican became one of there best fund raisers. The casulty ended up a parapligic but went on to become a writer. The other guy had his broken jaw wired up and became a regular in our pub

A little tester for my project today Had this to move 3 out of four wheels locked solid. All up weight in excess of 60 tons by applying plenty of lift as winching it came fairly easily. Certainly gave the hydraulic connections and rear legs a good hammering. The Aircraft tug is being cut up so if you have a use for A massive Deutch V12 aircooled engine or four wheels and tyres like new the same as fitted to the large mobile cranes let me know.

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Reading the thread about sumps turning to jelly when i first started out as an apprentice we had a lot of minis 1100s coming in with big ends knocking gearboxes shot every one one it seemed when we stripped them was filled with what looked like frothy emulsified white jelly.

Not wanting to berate any oil companys but originally they had all run on Duckhams oil but the dealer who serviced them changed on to Castrol GTX. Dont know if it was all coincidence but both companies used to advertise the secret additives they used. Maybe they didnt work together

Oh buy the way before any asks why am i talking about lubricating oils as opposed to fuels tip it in you fuel tank if it goes through the filters engine wont know any difference

When Ted Heath was in power and the fuel crisis Hit Britain is when hauliers started experimenting with fuels they discovered as long as the pumps could suck it up and it would go through the injectors and it went bang they could run on it. Older desiels still will hence the use of cooking oil sump oil parrafin etc. Back then haulage companys employed their own fitters and the price of reconditioning a few parts on the fuel system was outwieghed by the price they saved on fuel. since then things have changed but older diesels will still run on most flammable things you put in them with out ill effect. Not the same i know but i once did a little experiment and a leyland 680 with its stop pulled will start up on not only on easy start squirted in manifold but WD40 brake cleaner deoderant and virtually any thing else you spray out of a can including paint.

Alas things have developed since then modern diesels have got more technical and pump fuels seems to have got more toxic

I dont think the base products eg vegetable oils are a problem its the crap that people put into them to protect modern diesels that cause the problems

Dont envy you one little bit drilling that hole in a gearbox shaft.

I have actually seen the same thing happen on a more modern truck. The day i past my HGV i went to near Alfreton to tow in a Scammell 8 wheeler for a cement company. When i got there it was causing chaos to other traffic. i put it on a pole and towed it about 4 miles to the next layby. It had a burnt out clutch. The driver had steering and brakes as we pulled into the layby there was an almighty bang and the truck stopped dead. When i looked around the truck the main shaft had sheared of exactly as your had done but the centre strap on the center bearing had broke and the whole prop shaft had come off and whipped round and knocked the air tanks off and punctured the fuel tanks. I was going to to the layby to remove the propshaft. I left home that afternoon king of the road i came home that night sick as a dog we had to stand the bill cos i never took the prop off before towing. It was the same gate change box??? this was late 70s

i know this thread is about bio fuels but to show how tolerant older diesels were of what fuel they had in them again in the 80s we had an other haulier who had four trucks who did weekly runs who met up with trucks coming back from the middle east. they went to the yougoslavia bulgarian turkish borders before they set of they where filled up with sump oil cooking oil anything available and given new filters. On the way back they ran on 1500 gallon belly tanks filled fitted to the trailers with the cheapest diesel they could get in the middle east the price of the 1500 gallons diesel was oftence less than the drivers who brought it to the borders had paid for crates of bottled water to see them through the journey. he never had a breakdown due to fuel

well chuffed for you hope it all goes well in the future. Seems like big uphill neverending struggle but pays of in the end. More satisfying than watching tele and dreaming about doing something like it

In the early eighties we handled the long distance towing for the main Volvo Commercial Dealers near us. One of their customers was a now West Yorkshire based haulage company who ran a fleet of about 50 trucks. All Volvos and all less than 3 years old. Upon delivery from factory all oils in all the systems were drained and refilled with vegetable based products made by a refining company Called Oribis. after that if that truck broke down or had a failure we had the job of towing it back to the dealers in Hull regardless of were it was. The whole truck was stripped by the agents and measurements taken of wearing components in all systems. the truck was rebuilt and repaired and sent back out. All bills were paid by Oribis. It was a lucrative few years for us and the agents . One of the trucks rolled over in france and i towed it back the vehicle was declared a right off by the insurance. Oribis bought it of the insurance and paid our bill so that it it could have a final strip down and they didnt lose any data but i dont know what it all proved in the end. one was also towed back from scotch corner to Hull symtoms lost power ground to a halt stripped down rebuilt final verdict run out of fuel

ive Not mentioned it before but has anybody tried hydraulic oil or even sump oil out of petrols in older diesels only the filters know the difference the engines dont

Sometimes the rubbers swell if removed when taken out of the cylinder and left out for a period of time hence when built back up they have extra drag on them

I dont think Robin Craig is saying straps are no good but the way they are being used is wrong

eg the strap going over the drive sprocket straps sharp edges (piont loadings)no good. I do agree with using chains on that job would be the easiest simplest solution

Yep makes me cringe as well. Ratchet straps are great but they dont like sharp edges still in this case i aint paying for them so it dont bother me to much

You can get a long way at 30mph if you take your coffees and and meals on the move

in what respect do you mean lock it eg throw it of inadvertently by pressing the wrong button or is there an actual locking mechenism that holds the pallet rack on.

i have read similar reports about the effects of eating bread.

Facts nobody from the 1847 cenus who ate bread are alive to day

100 percent of people who have been instutionalised in lunatic assilums and prisons have eaten bread at some time .

People who have been subjected to a diet of bread and water for any length of time and have the bread with drawn get a craving for bread.

The majority of people who appear in court on serious assult charges rape and divorce proceedings have eaten bread.

Facts deduced from above bread causes death

bread causes insanity and makes people criminals

bread is adictive

bread causes violence and the break up of the family life so therefore we should stop making it now Before we kill the human race

so the taxation class is the main problem ? does anyone know for sure if it was taxed plg would it lose its mot free status it would still be purpose built recovery vehicle

 

but basically there is nothing wrong with owning and using it

there is nothing wrong in owning it and using it. The problems start with how you tax it if Recovery can only tow disabled vehicles not for fun or private use if PLG i cant think of any reason for having no MOT also please if doing suspend tow look at having some certification done on it may seem trivial but once something is lifted it gets insane to what you could be held responsible for if things go tits up.

Or you can ignore it all do what you think is right and hope insurance will pay when things go wrong blindly thinking insurance will cough up. when things go wrong insurance will try every thing they can to get out of paying. Ask Gary Hart he had 5 years to reflect on this after Selby Train Disaster

thanks again i dont see the licence problem myself as i used to work in the recovery industry years ago before i had class 2 and i used spec lifts in this clas with no problem

the limitation then for me was i could not use the spec lift on our slide back trucks at 7.5 tone

re the insurance i gave them the reg details and went to great length to tell them it was registered recovery and that i was nothing to do with the trade and it was for private use