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    Plating Pre 1960 vehicle as a roadwothy check

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    You are indeed correct, plating is for axle weight purposes only and not connected to MOT

    Any vehicle over 3.5 Tonnes comes into the plating regulations, hence the fact there are 1000's of vans out there all under 3.5t

    I am sure there will be a 'get out' clause somewhere if the vehicle is not to be used for commercial reward own goods etc etc ?

    Do we really want to start on the pre 1960 exemption from the good vehicles (plating and testing) regulations?:coffee:

    Requirement for continuous insurance cover

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    Posted

    You haven’t understood what I am trying to get at :computerrage:

     

    Currently only the driver of a vehicle has to be insured, not the vehicle as per the wording of the RTA.

     

    Therefore if you have a vehicle that is taxed but not insured you are ok so long as you don’t use it, further more it can be used by someone you lend it to if they have third party cover to drive other vehicles.

     

    My question is does this situation change with the new legislation and will the RTA be revised yet again or is it just a DVLA whim.

     

    That would seem to be a legitimate practice that would be stopped with the new rules. In reality how many people keep vehicles taxed and tested (if needed) but not insured for their own use, just in case someone wants to borrow it?

    I suppose that if someone wanted to borrow such a vehicle they would have to tax it before using it.

    Requirement for continuous insurance cover

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    Posted · Edited by croc

    The legislation is being introduced to remove un insured vehicles from the road - again!

     

    The registered keeper will receive a fine for a Sorn vehicle that has no insurance.

     

    Thats the change.

     

    If it it taxed and insured - no problem.

    If it is SORN - no problem.

     

    If the insurance expires before the tax the vehicle must be declared SORN.

     

    I cant see why this is a problem, assuming the tax is Historic (Nil duty) there is nothing to lose, just SORN it. If it is a tax disk with a value you would cash in the tax and SORN it.

     

    NO NEED FOR INSURANCE ON A SORN VEHICLE.

    SORN fines

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    Posted

    It seems to me that the vast majority of people have no problems when dealing with the likes of VOSA and DVLA but a few people have endless issues. I can't help but wonder why this small minority are unfortunate enough to have a problem every time they buy a vehicle or renew a tax disk.

    Requirement for continuous insurance cover

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    I think it’s a bit more complicated than that.

     

    My understanding is, to drive a vehicle on the road firstly it must be taxed and secondly the driver has to have third party insurance cover to drive that vehicle. It’s the driver that has to be insured not the vehicle.

     

    For example a motor trader will have insurance to drive a number of vehicles; however the vehicles won’t be insured individually and will show up on the insurance database as uninsured. So long as they are taxed he is perfectly legal to drive that vehicle.

     

    Another example is my car ad bike insurance covers me to drive vehicles not belonging to me on a third party basis. Last year I borrowed a bike belonging to a friend for a trip to Wales, I got pulled over by the police as the bike was coming up as uninsured on the database. I produced my insurance which showed I was insured to ride a bike belonging to someone else, the police were quite happy and off I went.

     

    Are you saying that this new legislation now means it’s the car that has to be insured not the driver?

     

    I have always seen it as the vehicle that is insured to be driven by named drivers, this is why you need a policy covering each vehicle. In most cases the vehicles are specified in the policy, or you can get a policy covering any driver for a specific car. A motor traders policy is basicly intended to enable them to run a business.

    The "driving other vehicles" is a bonus on some fully comp policies, you were obviously aware that you had it, and carried it with you. When the police, quite correctly, stopped you, you were able to produce it, so whats the problem?

    Pre 1960 vehicles,,,who can drive it

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    Posted

    I'll repeat the link already up on this topic.

    http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensing/WhatCanYouDriveAndYourObligations/DG_4022499

    See section "Exempted large goods vehicles"

    bullet point 11

     

    I will have to assume that the definition (exempted goods vehicles (S51)) as writen in my copy of T.O.C. is incorrect, is it different in both your copies Mike? I keep thinking that I should get a newer edition but am waiting for the plating and testing regulations exemptions changes to be included.

    Requirement for continuous insurance cover

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    It does changes things as:

     

    1, If the vehicle has never been Sorn then what happens when you come to put it back on the road?

     

    2, If it is Sorn but not insured?

     

    There has never been a requirement for a Sorn vehicle to insured as long as it's not on the public highway.

     

    1. If you put something back on the road you would tax it, even if Nil rate Historic.

    2. There is still no requirement for SORN and insurance.

    SORN fines

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    Posted · Edited by croc

    Hi.

     

    Following from a conversation from another thread.

     

    Has anyone been fined for not having SORN and then not paid it?

     

    What happened?

     

    Your input & guidance would be appreciated.

     

    Cheers.

     

    Rob

     

    I went through a stage of getting regular SORN fines as I have several things not on the road, I just treated them as reminders, didn't pay anything, renewed the SORN and had no further problems. When they made it possible to SORN online I renewed everything at once, all my SORN reminders now arrive in the same envelope and it takes 10 minutes online to renew them.

    Requirement for continuous insurance cover

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    Posted · Edited by croc

    I am not sure what the problem is, vehicles must be insured and taxed or SORN rather than just taxed or SORN as it was previously.

     

    "From early 2011, if it appears from the database comparison that a vehicle has no insurance or no SORN, a letter will be sent to the registered keeper.

     

    If the keeper takes no action, the keeper faces:

    • a fixed penalty fine of £100
    • court prosecution and be fined up to £1,000
    • having the vehicle clamped, seized and destroyed"

    Pre 1960 vehicles,,,who can drive it

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    Posted · Edited by croc

    Now that's what I call a very sensible and helpful post - a link to the actual official site, rather than making 'statemnts of knowledge' which, however well-meant, might have to be treated with some caution until verified.

     

    However, even on that link the info may not be quite right, it states "goods vehicles manufactured before 1 January 1960, used unladen and not drawing a laden trailer" this implies that you may pull an unladen trailer, I am not sure that you can, as I have also seen the exemption writen as "unladen vehicle manufactured before 1.1.60 not drawing a trailer" (traffic officers companion 12th edition) Mike?

     

    Perhaps if we all did this whenever possible with issues concerning regulations and legislation, it might help to avoid some of the 'problems' which seem to arise whenever these topics are discussed on here :thumbsup:

     

    That is why Lee has been busy adding things to the "reference documents" section.

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