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Sometimes the army can't even be bothered with a stencil, a felt pen oir white ink pen will do!

Such a pen can be used for tyre pressures

or even Registration plates.

I believe that the only minimum speed limit in everyday use is on the motorways where you are required to more than 30 mph, road conditions permitting. A vehicle doing less than this and incapable of exceeding it - again a Mk 1 Militant springs to mind - found using the motorways can be escorted off by the police, Highways Agency or - dare I say it - VOSA.

 

Regarding automatic collision detection - have a dig through the web for the reports on Mercedes attempts at this with the S class a few years ago. The cars so fitted crashed every time... Onboard AI's aren't intelligent enough yet to be able to assume control of a vehicle thus. In a decade or so it may well be different.....

Web search seems to show that there is no minimum speed for U.K. Motorways. Rebublic of Ireland has a minimum speed of 30 MPH.

The restriction on UK motorways seems to be on very slow vehicles, and these are mentioned by type, not speed. Banned are horse drawn vehicles, Pedal cycles and Mopeds.

Same Mil standard lists Propyne (not Propane)

Propyne is the second simplest gas (C3H4) in the Acetylene(C2H2) family and is also used for welding and cutting

Propyne is also in a yellow cylinder but with a Gray (can't Americans spell??) top

Could it be that since Propane is not listed in the MIL standard, it was never used as a bottled gas by the US military?

MIL-STD-101B

3 December 1970

Has Acetylene Cylinder down as Yellow.

And as said Green for Oxygen

http://www.everyspec.com/MIL-STD/MIL-STD+(0100+-+0299)/download.php?spec=MIL-STD-101B.021221.pdf

Admittedly that is post war, but was this MIL standard based on an earlier one?

Its raining here too!

[quote=timbo;270044 Then at least the risk will be reduced to as low as reasonably practicable (ALARP for all you safety buffs out there...!!!)

ALARP now that is a good one, But what happened to good old "Removing risk at source"?

Removing Risk at source should be the primary objective, and is always the best solution and all safety legislation puts this as the primary objective, anything short of Removing risk at source is a fudge.

There is a way to reduce the risk entirely. Don't drive unmodified FV432's on the road.

Some people just don't look.. had flashing beacon & headlights on.. she said she didn't see me.. the Police car behind her did :cool2:

Or as I said she could have been mid Micro-sleep. Airline pilots in Micro-sleep do not respond to flashing warning lights on their instrument panel. You can't expect any better from a car driver, humans should just walk everywhere!

In this country BOC sell Acetylene in two different types of cylinder. One is taller,Type F and Type G with a more rounded neck, but depending on your locality, they supply in a shorter larger diameter bottle with a flatter top that looks very much like Propane. The type H bottle.

Well BOC has actually got seven cylinders used for Acetylene, I am talking of the common industrial supply sizes here.

http://www.boconline.co.uk/health/gas_safety/cylinder_weights_sizes/cylinder_sizes_weights.asp

I had never seen one of these flimsy Acetylene type H until I moved to Lincolnshire....

Interesting thread here. I'm sure that a vehicle traveling on a motorway or duel carrigeway has to be able to maintain 30 miles an hour minimum speed......I would never take my scammell on such a road its just not worth the risk.

I thought it was it had to maintain 30MPH on a level road. It is my understanding that you can take a vehicle onto these roads although you could be down to 10 MPH or less when climbing hills.

It has been my experience, that with Antar and two Trailers, with the rear living van painted in Airfield red and white squares, with a beacon on the back, a beacon on either rear corner of the Dyson, a beacon on the back, cab roof, and the front of the Antar, that lorries have still nearly steamed into the back of me on hills.

I cannot see how I could have made it more obvious. Even so, running like this a lady decided to drive her car into the rear of my middle trailer, as I was negotiating a roundabout in Milton Keynes.

If I have been a little flippant I am sorry, but my experience after 30 years of moving slow vehicles to shows is in reality there is virtually nothing that has any real effect, and these accidents will always happen.

Research suggests that something close on 95% of all motorists have "micro-sleeps" were for a second or two up to periods nearer 30 seconds they fall asleep while driving. Often they are completely unaware that it happens to them. We are not talking about occasionally, with some people there are several of these events on each and every journey. You do not have to feel tired or exhausted to experience a micro-sleep.

I may be cynical, but it because I can't see any way of avoiding these situations until vehicles have automatic collision detection and prevention systems fitted as standard. Humans are not adapted to driving and we are not very good at it. Accidents will continue to happen.

http://www.sleepdex.org/microsleep.htm

http://atigo.com/microsleep.htm

A new standard governing the colour coding of transportable gas cylinders is coming into force

across Europe.As a result, many UK industrial gas cylinders will be seeing a fresh coat of paint.

The aim of the new standard (EN 1089-3) which has replaced the old cylinder colour scheme (BS349), is to

help improve safety standards within the gases industry

http://www.ior.org.uk/ior_/images/pdf/se/New%20Colour%20ID%20Chart.pdf

I don't know whether the new standard is mandatory but if it is, Europe has agin stuck its nose in our affairs and we might have to use the new colours,

I am suggesting that this might actually be legislation we have to follow and it might no be possible to retain older colours because Europe has spoken.

All Cylinders "are required" to be labelled, See last page of this pdf

http://www.npchse.net/standards/pdf/safety%20standard/other%20standards/Colour%20Code.pdf

Does this apply even if the bottles are empty, purged and simply dummies?

It applies to full or empty, I don't think anyone has considered purged, can't see how it could apply to dummies...

(Having said that there have been Mk3 Milly wreckers down at GDSF with their bottles! I think the ban is more theoretical than actual)

GDSF , if you read the small print, do not allow Oxy Acetylene bottle on the rally field. I would check with Beltring, they may have different insurers and different rules.

Sorry to hear about your mother, I lost mine over Christmas, and my brother and I have avoided doing anything. We have just been shocked into action. We knew probate had to be proved within a year, but it had escaped our attention that Interst on Inheritance tax starts to be charged at six months, following the death. We have just wasted a chunk of the estate through our inaction.

It might look like a bit of form filling but when looked at each Question often leads to a separate downloaded form, 4 or 6 pages thick and full of more questions.

Paying a Solicitor means he understands the forms, and knows which ones you have to fill in, but I suspect he will only keep coming back to you for answers and you will be the one trying to go through your Mum's papers or Family history to get the answers.

I don't know. I am having a bash with my brother early next week, but we already acknowledge we may pass it over to a professional.

They look to me to have been sponged on through the stencil anyway.

Your not going to stop drivers falling asleep or day dreaming, but you can help the situation. As a waggon driver of many years I can speak from experience that using amber beacons does help. When driving an artic or other large truck, when an amber beacon is spotted well in advance a driver (I can only speak for myself here) will start to assess his options straight away. He/she will be watching the rear view mirrors like a hawk waiting for the right moment to pull out into the centre lane/outside lane (dual) so that their progress is not interfered with. Beacons are used for large, wide, heavy, slow loads etc. If the truck doesn't look to be over width or length then a beacon is telling you the vehicle is probably travelling pretty slowly. You then pull out in plenty of time so that you are not slowed down.

 

This might not stop vans and cars from getting too close too fast to your rear end, but 8 out of 10 times if it's a waggon then he will pull out a lot sooner.

 

I only do 40-45mph in my Bedford but haven't got an amber beacon. I was chatting to a mate who is a Traffic Copper for the Met about the use of amber beacons on slow ex military vehicles. He said most if not all traffic coppers will not stop you for making the vehicle more visible dispite the fact it's illegal as they can see that you are doing everything you can to be as safe and seen as possible. Common sense I think.

 

I'm thinking of getting one for the truck dispite what the regs say.

When flashing LED lights started to become available for pedal cycles, their use is obviously illegal, since tail light on a bike must show a steady red light. However one Police superintendent is on record as saying if any of my Officers are daft enough to book a cyclist for having a flashing light, I will pay the fine myself.

Clearly most coppers are happy to see any improvement in safety.

Maybe something as simple as these flashing LED rear cycle lights may help.

Yes Maybe I was being a little flippant. Sorry John.

How correct!!! maybe the whole thread should go..... as sure it wont help in the long run...IMO

If the whole thread were to go it would not help potential buyer from falling into the trap of getting an FV432 and thinking it was legal.

This thread started because someone wanted to know if FV432 was legal before parting with hard earned cash. Do you feel it right that information is withheld from him, and future potential buyers trying to make a decision.

The thread points to a possible solution, namely apply for an VSO. If FV432 owners won't do that, they won't help themselves.

They might find things get uncomfortable, but the way to "get legal" has been open to them for ages, and they just don't want to take it. Why?

Plenty of people have said it should be relatively easy o provide secondary braking, yet no one has ever attempted it. Why?

Could it just be they don't care whether they are legal or not, neither do they care if they are as safe as they could be?

The view that the whole topic should be removed does not seem to be shared by those people happy to detail the over width vehicles they drive on public roads.

Maybe the forum topic also has a place in "Naming and shaming" even though it is the offenders themselves doing the naming, and they are not showing much shame?

Similar threads have existed before and have been removed, we were told this was a temporary situation and they would be re-instated. If that promise was serious, I feel this topic should stand.

This is the first topic to actively assess the possible solutions to Secondary braking on FV432 and to get a discussion started.

I have posted a suggestion and I think it might be a goer, but nobody, but nobody has commented positively or negatively. That is a shame.

There is nobody more anti-smoking than an ex-smoker!

I am not Anti FV432. But I do think the brakes do need reworking before use, and I feel if someone where to rise to the task of applying for an SVA they may well get it.

That would mean an FV432 still at 2.80m could legally use the road. It hasn't got any narrower but it has got more legal.

I think, given an VSO 2.80m is sensible. I don't know why I feel unease because a vehicle doesn't meet C and U but it is the illegality that I find wrong.

That might seem very strange, but it was because I thought running Antar and two trailer was actually legal, that I did it.

I have all the usual tales, Pulled by Motorbike cop, Taken into Ministry test station, Collision with a Police car, each and everytime the Police and Ministry decided I was running legally.

If an FV432 clips a Police car, like I did, without an VSO I don't see them being that lucky.

No that is why I haven't answered Artist's Rifles charge that I am self righteous and sanctimonious.

The point is that I don't do it now.

Everyone is allowed to have a "Damascus Road"experience, and if they do see the light, then they should not be criticised for earlier decisions.

No figures available but if you where to kill someone, never mind the jail sentence, the guilt would always be with you and I think you would then find it impossible to live life to the full and enjoy every moment.

People who cause fatal accidents very often have their whole life destroyed by the experience. There is a width limit for a reason, and wider vehicles are allowed under STGO because it is a necessity. I have said before you do not have to drive an illegally wide vehicle.

I know two people who have had showman's living vans driven into whilst behind Classic Commercials. One was a palish Apple green. The other was Maroon and Red, both were highly visible.

The main trouble is the vehicle running into the back normally has a driver in a trance like state or totally asleep.

I can't think of a plan to wake up a sleeper, so I think rear end shunts will always happen.

Best advice is to stay on the slowest, windiest road you can find where the Truck driver is concentrating on getting round the bends. A mental challenge helps keep him awake. Fast straight roads are themselves the cause of many rear end shunts. Rather than trying ti find a way to be safe on these roads, try to find a way not to be on them.

Enjoy life to its fullest, you live once!!!!

You only die once also, and it is a possibility (degree of possibility undetermined, admittedly) that a FV432, Cheftain or Centurian could be the cause of someone death, and they have no return from there.

And what if we have Winner, Internet Message-board Poster.

I am not queueing up to be seen as a WIMP

Certainly not going to be a Premier Internet Massage-board Poster!

Lincolnshire worst or second worst in all cases, yes that seems right.