The Garrison

I would agree with that advice also. It doesn't take much to put it 'out of whack' and it's not much fun when it all goes wrong.

Would be good to see some pics of the collection David. Are you active with any MV or Military groups round the country?

Adam & Dayna

That sure is some list.. You must have a relatively big shed then? :wow:

Who out there is even more fanatical and has the period uniforms and equipment to go with their vehicles....???:whistle:

We can put our hands up... full Military Police/ Dispatch Riders gear for the Indian. Officers kit and drivers uniform for the Staff car.. Full LRDG gear for the jeep and it keeps going...

Great to see everyone keeping them rolling

Welcome to the forum.. Nice place WA, theres just too many Aussies there haha. Besides all the landrovers are over here in NZ...

Seems this thread has just surfaced at the right moment. I recently e-mailed the RAF Museum for a bit of information regarding RAF paint schemes during the war. I was pleasantly surprised to receive a lot of photocopied information in the mail a week later. They went to a lot of trouble and spent an amount of time doing this for me, for which i was very greatful. Therefore with information in hand i will pass on the relevant info that may be of interest.

From a book called Wheels of the RAF, Wartime vehicles: their colouring, markings and type numbers.....

To facilitate the ordering of the correct spares for vehicles, when such a diversity of types with varying designations existed, it was decided in early 1944 to type number the various types of vehicles. Numbers were allotted in blocks according to the class of the vehicle ..... The type number was to be painted in white 3ins characters in the style 'TYPE 1000', or with the number placed beneath 'TYPE'.

Number 2900 Motorcycles and 2901 Motorcycle Combinations.

AMO A.617 Identification of RAF Mechanical Transport (dated 7.8.41)

1. In order that the military traffic control companies and the civil, military and RAF Police can easily identify RAF Vehicles and so facilitate movement control, it has been decided that all RAF cehicles, Works Directorate vehicles, and contractors' and Petroleum Board vehicles wholly employed on duties with the RAF in the UK, are to be marked with a RAF Roundal, nine inches in diameter, and a code letter or number, five inches in height (3 1/2 inches in the case of motorcycles), painted in white, indicating the command or other formation, etc., to which they belong.

3. Code letters and numbers (i)(a) Code letters have been allocated as follows.

Bomber Command B, Fighter Command F, Coastal Command C, Army Co-operation Command A, FLying Training Command T, Maintenance Command M, Balloon Command K, Technical Training Command H, Works Directorate W, Contractors X, Petroleum Board P, Ministry of Aircraft Production Z, No 60 Group R, Air Support Auxillary L.

(iii) The letter is to be displayed on the back of the vehicle in one of the following ways:

(d) On motorcycles, the letter is to be painted on the rear mudguard and on sidecars (passenger and box carrier) the letter is to be painted on the centre of the back panel.

Obviously there were different paint schemes and regulations regarding markings in different theatres of conflict and some carried the roundel and others didn't. I would suggest you get in contact with Gordon Leith, who is the curator at the RAF Museum and maybe he can supply you with the same documents. It did include a lot of copies from AMO's (Air Ministry Orders) which dealt with colour schemes and other very useful information. And as always there were numerous ammendments throughout the war period with new orders replacing old ones. As a rule of thumb nothing is incorrect as rules were 'ignored', 'modified' and some changes were not required until major service. ie the repainting of vehicles to new schemes and colours was not required until the vehicle in question actually needed painting. The old stocks of paint were to be used before the new stock.. So many variations.

Best of luck and hope this helps..

Hi Garrison,

 

Yours is looking good and I love it's markings.

My Dad rode and instructed on British Despatch bikes during WW2 and I applied for his service record in the hope of mirroring his markings on my bike. Sadly, it's a 9 to 12 month wait but all being well, it'll be here soon.

 

 

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Hi and thanks. It will be fitted with a BMW replica sidecar as soon as funds allow and displayed as a "what the kiwi LRDG guys could have mucked around with"

 

Hope the paperwork gets you all the relevant info you require. Being a smaller country our lead time for ex-service history is around a month, but it is always exciting when the package arrives at the door.

 

Look forward to seeing more pics.

Oh yes the photo of the MOT guy's face would be priceless.

Well done on such a project. There is often more work involved in replicas than in the real thing and at the end of the day who cares whether it's a replica or not. If you are happy with it then it's all good.

Some serious work in that project Charlie. Good luck.

Have sent you a PM so we can keep in touch.

Hi David.

Not a bad place. I spent the best part of three years based at Ohakea so Palmy was a frequent visit.

Plane outside Wigram Museum is in fact a Harvard and there is a Spitfire (fibreglass gate guardian replica made by the RNZAF) at Christchurch Airport. Both are very close to the Cookie Time Factory in Hornby. The DC3 you speak of is south of the Army Museum at Waiouru and used to be painted Yellow and Black advertising Rangitikei River Adventures.

Just some of our fun and interesting sights down here.

Have done the annual Spitfire to Harvard run for the RNZAF for too many years whilst on courses at Wigram. They called it a PT session... not flaming likely.:nono:

Where abouts do you hail from Slurr?

Very nice job. Oh yes we have all had the 'motorcycles arent that hard to restore' comment... :shocked:

Maybe we should start a thread about 'wierd things seen in living room's that really arent supposed to be there' and see what truns up.

Luckily mines in the shed at present but there may be some staff car bits in the lounge :whistle:

Sadly there are cops out there who use the law to suit themselves by means of interpreting things as the mood takes them and being an ex-military Police officer i know what happen out there. Luckily i live in a country where 'most' of the cops are human still and have a sense of humor and a few brain cells left upstairs. We are also not allowed blue lights, but if they are on a vehicle such as an ex Police bike and it was covered whilst in transit to a display or venue then it is ok (as common sense would dictate).

I have actually ridden the Indian up behind a cop with lights and siren on. Yes they pulled over and were far to busy laughing and holding their sides to actually take offence. They thought it was all in fun (which it was) and the driver being an ex motorcycle cop ended up taking it for a quick ride up the street and back, which really made his day.

Police have NO jurisdiction in 'tampering' with automotive systems as they are not trained mechanics. As usual there is give and take in all situations and it just takes an idiot on either side to upset the balance.

Good luck with your project and stay upright.

Welcome.

Cant wait to see some pics of the landy and equipment you have obtained.

Huge congrats to your family.

Hi Tom. No it will be painted Dark Earth. The brown colour on european scheme RAF aircraft.

Dupont codes are usable around the world. It may take a bit to get the formula out of them tho.. Automotive formulas are measured by weight and not quantity of tinter measured in a liquid quantity such as litres.

I would certainly not be painting accessories in Centari (whether it be Centari 6000 or similar) as it is one of the top coatings. That would be overkill and work out to be very expensive. Most dupont codes can be transferred to an equally usable and much cheaper dupont product such as SES or EQS (Spraying enamel or equipment enamel). These products are much cheaper, easy to use and offer the same colour and sheen level. They also wear a bit quicker and make newly painted extras a little more realistic in a good way.

Good luck with the project.

As with many restorations of old military gear you hear the stories of finding numbers under layers and layers of paint. Well a number was not found. We did however find Dark Earth paint underneath the rather faded burgandy.

Now just about every MV you see here in NZ is a shade of green so it was decided to go with a different scheme. Far to much OD and DBG in the shed :wow: .

We collected all the possible colours and Dark Earth stood out and it was part of the car....

A few mods have been made to the sidelights, which now double as indicators with the assistance of an LED ring.

And whilst rummaging around in our local Vintage Car Club parts shed we came across another 4 rims... hmm thinking now that a set of road tyres are good and a set of NDT (jeep) tyres for instant use as a field car... perfect.:goodidea:

A few years ago we saw the TV series of 'Foyles War' and Dayna just had to have it. So we bought the DVD's and we decided to keep our eyes out for a suitable car. Wanting to do the full ATS bit we finally found our Flying 12 and started the resto. So here is a quick preview of deconstruction and some resto work to date.

Been a while since this thread was updates. Just to let all the mozzie lovers know, the Mosquito being built by Avspecs in Auckland, New Zealand is nearing completion. You will see it flying very soon..

Very nice work Tom.

Do you know any of the Rota Nazdar re-enactors? They are also from the Czech Republic and one member is working on a Standard Flying 12 Staff car.

We are also restoring a Flying 12 Staff car so it is always good to see another car in military uniform.

Definately liking the smoke discharger idea.. and how nasty would an RA7040 look mounted in the back.....

Welcome to the DPM Family Mark.

Goby we are very impressed with your jeep. It looks great.

Two items of equal importance.... The LRDG cap badge and the Rum Jug....

Oh trust Gary to lead the pictures... haha..

There is a jeep under all the bits.. honest......

Welcome Tony, from across the ditch in NZ....