rupert condick

Hi

 The front spring bushes are made out of, steel, with a M20 thread.(Question answered)

lots of metric and imperial sizes, due to War economy measures

on the engineering side.

the old bus has the early low ratio front axle, and later(by 53 ch.nos )rear standard ratio.

which is OK by the book as this makes no difference on soft ground in four wheel drive, an acceptable practice.

I had an early LandRover which had freewheeling 4x4,

gearbox.

get the tyre pressure wrong, 28 rear, 25 front, and it would

drag along.on the road,

regs

rup

hi

I only have a mark II (LRC) book.

maybe not much help,

LRC

P.42438,   MT4/CB/141/1      So CAV.

Pullman,

P.42501, MT4/CB/75BT/19X (CAV 75BT/19X)

Humber 4x4 HU

75B/19X  early

P.42501,  MT4/CB/75BT/19X (common to MV's later on)

there's a picture of a wireless Humber 4x4,

with the engine out which I cannot find,

and that has a very different voltage regulator.,

and a cranked oil filler pipe for the larger generator

sorry I cannot be of more help,

As you have an early Humber HU

I have just got a one 8350498,

I only have a later parts book, but the pro-shafts are different to the book is this right?

they have an extension /longer joint assy bit. as the CMPs had.

regs

Rupert

Hi a bit more.

the front axel traca joint retaining grub screws, decided not to play.

managed to get one out, had to drill the other one.

its 1" sq.bar. + 6mm, 7/16 UNF thread, pull up firm, and strike retaining collar from the inside, this will unsize the collar and then just wind out.

note early type retaining collar(2 piece 2 cir-clips)

Hi Tim

 I do not have any period (ww2 ) info on the 3rd type other than the picture of on on a RN Austin K2y,

the second type i Have up to April 1944,

so nothing solid

regs

Rupert

hi Tim,

i can only really guess an that would be for the Austins,

1st type 1940- March 1943 maybe

2nd type March 1943 on

3rd type October 1944 on 

So a mix

regs

rupert

Hi Andrew,

I only have the drivers side.

your Humber was probably rebuilt and used the post war Dark Green, and a big brush.

I do not have information on Humber interior colours, other than army regs, for painting.

i have your Humber in the Ex Malaya, section.

So Dark Green bit odd.( I do not know).

depending on how thorough they were, you may find something, I found the Factory Dark Earth behind the instrument bezels.as well as the seats.

factory no.44 K Green under the clutch operating bracket, and hand brake bracket, fuel tank straps.

inside the steering box mounting housing, most of the no.44 Green had come off the chassis leaving the factory Black.this applied to the inner areas, in the main.

MMF 120, has a nice interior.

But as you can see from the drivers seat/tool box there is also the factory,

No.44 Khaki Green.(bit hard to paint over)

I can see the floor was no.44 K.Green, and upright surfaces were Dark Earth originally, good guess

chassis was factory black, then factory no.44 K.Green(certain).

best

Rupert

Cheers Wally,

I did do the RLC thing, broadly speaking it came back we will let you know........

So I take that as a not known.

I tried Cosford But thats closed until April,

and FMW has given up.

Have not done Hendon as Cosford said they had the files,

The RAF used Impressed Census numbers form batches

Just as an example.

1-5208,

31000-32999(not listed)

,101586-150000(maybe an error here),

150001-166709 impressed,

209500-220424,(errors here)

I have gone from the Chilwell book, they may have been some printing errors,

I have rounded to the nearest contract number.

But I do not know if these nos. were allocated in the post war period.to 1949,

or in wartime.

I have not found an ERM plate or holes for one, there is very little bodywork left.

I have not cleaned the bonnet off, but I do not expect to find anything as the Humber has been converted and was well rubbed down.and removable parts(instruments) are gone so I can rule out that as a census no.indicator,(RAF practice on Aircraft, was to write down the aircraft no. on the instruments when removed, not always done).

Some Number's came from Singapore post war soothers another path.

cheers Rupert

Heres a bit more,

what's left of the original floor and cab area

cab floor not a great pic, factory green? under Blue,

some of the many colours, black, ivory, Fluorescent orange,

original factory green, and dark earth, under drivers seat

still in question if its a 1942 import, or post war

has not had any of the WD mods, updates

ie radiator support bracket,

break light switch  (still Lucas ps type)

front spring clips not fitted

rear spring mounting chassis mod.

removing the pinion bearing retaining collar, yes the grub screw had been removed.

what was left of it. after a previous attempt, in its distant past.

and well butchered/flogged up.

4 hours later it was apart.

and not too badly damaged will clean up.

I know there was a batch of RAF Humber Heavy Utilities ,

contract S.7176 for 322, I am guessing a date of c1945,

was this the only batch?

I have a Humber HU(what's left of one) contract V.3829 c1941.M4380125.

from what little paint that remains, 

i get factory Black, Factory Green (1941)

RAF/RAAF Blue (RAF use until 1942, restart 1947?) and on the transmission straight onto the factory black.

Drab Green,

Desert Sand (mmm?)

Brown (light Earth)

Dark Green.

Black

Ivory  Ambulance conversion late 1950"?

mix of colours,

I may find more as I work on the body another parts.

the wheels, only have the factory green on the inside.

I found that the RAF used Impressed MoS numbers for some of the Vehicles, which came from other contracts.

RLC does not have any info.

hi

Civilian type registrations, I found appear to have been fitted to Ex-army Ambulances used by the Red Cross on D-Day the vehicles were just out of warranty(12months old/ 10,000miles).

post war Champs (RGX,PJJ,PLF(1954)  carried civilian registrations, when on army  evaluation,

JLR being a batch (1947) that cover Austin K2Y ambulances, Gutty 4x4

Hi

I am trying to trace a Humber Heavy utility,(1941) contract V.3829,

it appears to have been painted factory green, RAF blue, Drab Green,Desert Sand, Light Earth, Dark Green,

Black gloss, Ivory(as Ambulance conversion).

inside cab floor factory green then RAF blue. over spray ivory at conversion,

other colours in cab factory light earth, Desert sand ,green(s) gloss black, ivory, Florissant orange front cab floor, gearbox, cab area.

I know RAF number are going to a bit hard to find have yet to strip the bonnet and the front wings the paint is mostly gone.

RAF census nos I guess would be under impressed?

of course this could all be RAAF Blue.

regs

Rupert

great work well done!

Cheers Bryan,

But of along shot, cuts the list down thought,

I think I will have to look at Causality Clearing Stations, as there unit codes were spilt (/)

maybe   7/L (7th Amb. Div. 8th Army), still guessing,

regs

Rupert

Hi 

I now find myself in the I am looking for Humber FWD parts,

As the one I now have is a bit short on parts, drawings also appreciated.

regs

Rupert

Hi

Yes its an 1941 Austin K2Y ambulance,

the latest batch i get for the RAF is contract 23/1782, 23/7/1943 for 42 Ambulances.

the last one being made C 1/02/1945.

can you send me the information you have. as contract,

i found contract  S.3165 was broken up and a mix of RAF and RN vehicles made up.

As for the end of WW2 those that signed up for the duration got out in 1947.

mind you WW I did not finish officially   until the 1980"s or so I cannot remember the exact year.

hi here's more,

Hi

I know what you mean, some errors are just.....

How painful is this

Hi

I hd an Ex RAF Lightweight Landcover from RAF Lossiemouth, it was weapons yellow exterior,

sorry cannot remember the interior.

When worked at RNAS Yeovilton the Rascal truck was also weapons yellow.

Hi 

I may be a bit off here, but is there a list of RAF transport unit numbers.

example below

As I am still trying to Identify this.

For Austin Ambulance, the RAF being the few that used a / on there vehicles.

the 7/ positive the rest mmmm

regs

Rupert

Hi

I got Mike Starmer's book

mikestarmer18@gmail.com 

He maybe able to help.

this is all I have.all for 1942

HI

one the subject of Civilian registrations on Military vehicles.

glasses book has sections of numbers "alloted to government vehicles".

these are nice and new, RMH,JMK,RMK,PMK Govt.nos.

GGU 519 (1942) Austin K2Y (contract A.1445/1941), of the American Ambulance, likley to be a ex army sale.

another second hand Austin K2y(1943) of the Red Cross.normandy 1944

Below this Austin K2Y (1945) with ERM KYW 939 said to be a CAA registration.

the KYW series appears to be Govt. nos.

thats a bit off track as I am looking for Ruddington sales information on WWII Humber 4x4,

and any in the RAF

regs

Rupert

hi

nice work it takes some effort,

the bonnet and front grille , mudguards red outer wings, was, transfer box cover are ok the rest,

of the body is very poor all the woodwork is scrap or wrong..

need to find some history and parts.

oh well such fun.

no ERM /MOS plate, no luck with the RLC as yet

Good luck to all who follow.

I need a truck load of parts drawings etc,

as for its history its an old one, untouched by later Army mods,

found desert sand on the rear axle, and RAF or RAAF blue one the front axle,

Australian Army green (maybe a later addition post war).

Hi,

the Austin K2Y ambulance markings change quite a bit during the war. there are records at Kew.

If you do not have any pictures it a bit hard, do not rely on the instructions given by the model supplier as to paint or year.

if you are doing an Austin K2Y model, these ambulances change on nearly a yearly basis's a 1940 austin is quite a bit different form a 1945 Austin or an Army rebuilt one,
Rob van meel (www.robvanmee.nl) books has a reprint of Vehicle Marking in the Middle East. 24th March 1944,

and a few othere books.

Just a mix of pictures next British, Australian , New Zealand.

off to war c1940

Dunkirk

note the gas patch on the bonnet.

early Austin K2

North Africa Caunter scheme ( no red cross on rear body only the small Red cross plate as on the front)

Alamein

Italy

well i could go on

message me if you want more pics.

regs

Rupert

hi

My limited knowledge, (81" Land Rover) on the B40 engine was Rolls Royce were black,

rocker covers were marked UNF for the Austin engine,

Rolls Royce were plain and the threads were BSF,

I have seen a few black painted  engines with plain rocker covers in champs in WA

reg

Rupert

Hi 

I am looking at the propeller shafts and they are different, at each end, the book shows them to be the same was there a production change, or are these part chev. or othere type?

that is they should be had splicer type at each end, and not have the extra long bit.

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