steveo578

Yes, very heavy - I suppose the Staghound was the succesful outcome of the trackless tank and the T13 as a concept. The Staghound is a wheeled equivelent of the light/medium tank M7.

 

The M8 owes it existance to a requirement for a light wheeld tank destroyer/recce vehicle for tank destroyer command to serve along side fast tracked TDs like the M18.

 

Staghound is a fantastic vehicle though - a particular favourite and the Dearhound likewise -just never expected that any would still exist:D.

 

Steve

Ferrettkitt

......but I'm frightened that I might get the bag straight back in my face

I reckon it's more likely to go straight in the bin,

 

I tried washing down filled duvet in a US style top loader -bigger and potentially more gentle than a conventional washer -it didn't work the down went lumpy:-( -so I think woa2 point that sending it to a company specialising in doing down duvets is best advice.:-)

I think the others are desert sand/black and the RAF CDSW seem to be olive drab as are the bofors

ajmac

C'mon steve, their vehicles were much better than ours on every level,

character has nothing to do with how good something is -I like churchills they are realy poor of the axis vehicles I go for TNHPS and other lessers types such as Turan.

 

The HE round for a Panther is similar to other 7.5KWKs and had about 1.4lbs of explosive as opposed to the best allied 75mm the M48 which had about 1.5lb on the basis that a bang is a bang they are much the same and also range is similar due to a reduced charge being used for obvious reasons -hope this helps -if anyone wants to jump in if i'm wrong or off the mark please feel free to do so.

 

Steve

It's more like a 6x6 version of a staghound -greyhounds are a much lighter vehicle, Dearhound about a ton heavier than the Staghound but Greyhound nearly half the weight.

spanter

 

Thanks for the heads up on that -I thought I was going dulalli:cool2: the photo of the P63 was taken in the late 1980s.

 

Steve

Shortly after seeing this thread I looked on Milweb which isn't the cheapest place and even there there is stuff which has equal character for a lot less. But then I have to 'fess up -I'm not a great Wehrmmacht fan:red:

gazzaw

at the end of the day does it change the film or parade any

Never said it did, I made a statement to correct post#2 -It was not my intention to start a flaming argument -so take the point for what it is -as they say to small children "say thank you -your welcome"

 

otherwise I might as well not bothering posting in future.:mad:

 

 

Steve

Niels v

 

Morris Commercial CS11/30F

 

The Portee 6pdr gun carriers mentioned easlier are Bedford QL not ford v interesting though surprising variaty of Marmon Herringtons AC and Crusaders incuding Mk1:D. Interesting in that very few guns have sights or even bores covered.

 

Good Stuff

 

Steve

do you mean not working electrically not working mechanically?

gazzaw

Yes it was probably the League of Nations but whoever archived it and put up the title (for search etc) has put UN.

The League of Nations was a formal organisation for world security as an outcome of the Treaty of Versailles 1919 it was formally wound up in feb 1945.

 

Although thought up by the US president Woodrow Wilson (got the nobel peace prise for it) the US and the Soviet Union were not members -therefore the term League of Nations was not contemplated as a name or terminology for the allies- The term United Nations forces against the axis was termed -probably where the term axis of evil was also coined -and has been used by subsequent Presidents of the USA.

 

Steve

gazzaw

 

Very good.:cheesy: lots of interesting stuff one thing I've not seen before at (2.45 to 3.10) is a 6pdr truck similar to the famous Deacon with a fairly early model 6pdr in a shield and a full width armoured cab probably on a Ford maybe a F60 but could bd was based on a Ford WOT either way the type shown is different from a Deacon which had a half armoured cab and a Matador truck as the basis.

 

The term united nations was coined by FDR and Churchill to denote the allies and appears in numerous speeches by both from the North Atlantic meeting onwards and in comptemorary newsreels and reports.

While looking for something else I came across this

 

http://www.panzermodel.com/Forum/index.php?topic=6383.0

 

quite a shock as I assumed all 250 where some were used as MP vehicles in USA until replaced by the more suitable M20 and then targeted or scrapped, but obviously some were sent Brazil as Lease/Lend.

 

Steve

there was a sub section on

 

http://the.shadock.free.fr/

 

website which had lots of movie substitute afvs but for some unkown reason it is not there at the moment . Not only should websites be accessable -by ensuring that sub section particulaly if formated in PDF are not overly long or large that it makes it difficult to enter, but should be consistant.

 

Steve

why kill the little piggy -as it got no offers perhaps it is overpriced:nut: capitalism/enconomics at work the price of any article will always reflect the demand in the market- supply and demand.

Just over 10minutes to go and no offers;)

IMO I think the earlier Centurion mock up Abrams has the edge the Chieftain one looks like a dressed up Chieftain whereas the Centurions conversion doesn't give away it origins -the "jericho" vehicle is particularly weak around the turret ring as the add ons sit too high, the barrel is too long and the fume extractor is in the wrong place, the skirts are virtually unmodified Chieftain-in particular M1A1 don't have the protruding lift handles -but I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder.:-)

 

steve

eddy8men....by the way have you seen the prices of british armour they've got for sale £30k for a 432 and £60k for a spartan:wow:

The price of the M706 is a bit wild too:shocked: but the half millon for the M4A1 DD is **** obscene:wow:, I'd expect it to be a drive away at that price not a lump of crumbling junk.:-D

 

Steve

Bob Grundy...Have you any documentary evidence to substantiate that railings etc were dumped in the sea ?

Nope just a rumour -this thread is meant as a dumping ground for the tittle-tattle and rumour.

It is quite possible that scrap iron was dumped to deny access to coastal U boats and this has led to such rumours -however I think the straight dumping rumour is more likely -as before the basic oxygen process took hold in the steel industry reducing scrap and slag was a percentage of the amount of steel that could be produced limited to 10-25% if I remember correctly and iron reprocessing was tiny- Newcastle -Blaydon being one last places to do it on a commercial scale at the Delta Iron Works plant- which also produced track until the 1970s.

 

Steve

diver99

That might be feasible as the French used Panthers after the war for a while i believe

I meant they were wehrmacht tanks -rumour has it even experimental -early Panther left in the former wehrmacht/manufacturers proving grounds since WW2

 

It's unlikely the French would not have lost a Panther or anything else in the British control area as they tended to keep very much in their own zone - it became more so after De Gaulle took power.

 

Although the French indeed use a few individual captured Panthers in WW2 (as did the British) the only units that used them Post War were 503e RRC and 6e Cuirasurs and neither used them in battalion numbers at best troop or squadron numbers the rest was made up with Shermans and sometimes h/tracks, serving during the fall/winter/spring of 1945-46 until retired for lack of spares. I think one of the tanks formerly at Place de Concorde was an ex 503e tank.

 

The real reason for their service was to obtain experience with a heavy tank prior to the deployment of the ARL44 (in 1950) and possible service of the experimental AMX 25-40-50 series in the future. All of which "benefited" from 3rd Reich technology such as the Maybach motor and suspension-trackwork in the AMX. In reality the French despite their rabid nationalism ended up with US M46 in 1954 and M47 shortly after to supplement their Sherman fleet.

 

The British also trialed Panthers and Jagdpanthers in 1945-46 -indeed the Bovington Panther is one of those built under REME control in Germany for that purpose. Some were used as targets on British ranges in Germany in the 1940/50s as no doubt were other ex wehrmacht wrecks.

 

Steve

waggy.....

The tank eventually became totally submerged in mud and was unrecoverable and it is alledgely still there. I have also heard another story relating to this same incident claiming that the driver died in the incident?

The incident of the chieftain driver who drown is well documented there is even photos of the aftermath of the incident and recovery of the tank.

 

There are also rumours of a Scimitar from an OTC cadre that sank on Otterburn in 2000, perhaps the reason why a couple of Challenger ARVs were despatched to the range. I heard rumours the recovery was unsucessful -I also heard rumours the whole thing was exegerated out of all proportion;).

 

Steve

diver99

I have heard of that sunken chieftain rumour, also from a Tank Regt., old boy.

 

but it's also a generational rumour -older "ol boys" tell stories of Cent, gun tanks and even the odd Conqueror disappearing into the mire-or river on the Soltau and other training areas. Probably go back far enough it did for a Cromwell or Comet or three - but I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't a story of an odd Roman or barbarian chariot sinking too:D.

 

There are also rumours of Panthers maybe Tiger Is pulled out in the 1970s and used as targets:undecided:

Just a pic out my files the Duxford example photographed back in the 1980s,

 

I was under the impression that this air plane was a P63 Kingcobra rather than a P39 Airacobra as I was under the impression that only P63 had the four blade prop, but according to the wiki survivors file it's a P39Q Airacobra:confused: but then I'm more tank man.:undecided: but enjoy the pic anyway -I've finally managed to get the new computer to allow me to upload.

 

Steve

My 2d worth, the 1st attempt to recover the red cavalier wreck off the OTA.

 

Photo doctored to protect the innocent;)

 

 

pulled on to the trailer so far so good,:-D

 

 

Oops:wow:take your pick no tracks, damaged wheels, camber of car park, too narrow a trailer (extensions not in use) whatever.

 

 

Of course there was the desk jockey who advised the transport guy that the A24 was the same as an A15 Crusader in dimensions and weight -I expressed my views - but then I'm just a geordie oik -I did become slightly worried when the driver said "is that the Otterburn in West Yorkshire?" :wow:

 

Steve

rnixartillery

Quite right Mike,I bought one of my other limbers from Budge back in the day,I paid £200 for it and I had choice from dozens

I remember them in 1989 at the north end of the compound behind the cable factory, so many that a wall had been built of them about 4 or 5 high! again so commonplace they seemed I didn't bother to photograph it - I wanted to see the PBV 301 -there were a fair few Cents too

as you say

If you knew then what you know now !!!

excellent bit of fabrication.

 

Steve