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For RAF service found this in AP 2515E Section 16E

Mark that Appendix A is the only reference I have found for instructional colours. It comes from AC No.70119 Driver Training Vol. I, Part I, 1965.

It superseded WO Code No. 8672 1951 but that had no colour details.

What is RGB / Hex code?

The VAOS Section H1(a) Paints, dopes & varnishes will give the BSC381C.

Other than 'Orange' and 'Red oxide' all the colour descriptions are BSC defined.

46 minutes ago, gordonb said:

Usual story, aerials but no radios.

The number of antennas is inversely proportional to the amount of working radio equipment and with a flag on the top even less chance.

1 hour ago, LarryH57 said:

After that, I dont remember ever seeing a new Series LR delivered in Nato matt green, with unpainted galvanised parts. Am I remembering correctly- did the painting style / instructions to Land Rover change? Did they spray the entire vehicle before deliver, or were British Army units always supplied via a Vehicle Storage / Park type Unit, where they were sprayed prior to delivery?

Larry looking at DGFVE Specification No.341 for S3 LtWt Jan 1980 the requirement was for the vehicle to be painted in IRR NATO Green. The galvanised bits were not specified to be painted.

But the Spec only required the minimum paint thickness to be 15 microns, which is admitted as not meeting the full IRR requirement.

So it would seem that to meet this requirement the vehicles in depot would be painted with a further coat of IRR NATO Green. This no doubt would include the exposed galvanised fittings as their IRR reflectance would need to be toned down to be similar in IRR behaviour as foliage. Not to paint these bits would tactically inept as they would be too reflective under IRR illumination..

Granted that the paint adherence would not be good but that could be touched up at the start of hostilities at the time when the canopies were painted. At the time there was no IRR NATO Green paint that was unreactive with canvas or nylon canopies.

1952 it lists the three types.

That sounds good value Richard. I have always hoped to see one used by the Reserve Force RUC. About 12 were hired from the WO & the other 35 odd which assumed Belfast registrations with the EZ suffix.

Tim 27026 appears in my 1952 VAOS, but I don't know when it was introduced. It has a specific purpose to accommodate 1/2 pint & 1 pint Wesco oil cans. So I don't know from when these cans were in use.

Left hand 43990 & right hand 43989 holders were for WD 1/2 pint cans which suggest they were codified later.

Larry yes sometimes I think less is more. It is no coincidence that sellers of stickers do a roaring trade! I don't doubt that these are based on original stickers in certain theatres & certain roles, but not all at the same time. I like the serenity of minimalistic markings, but sometimes sticker craziness leads the vehicle to resemble a carnival float.

After the RAF DMC 33A the following 7 digits look suspiciously like the "non-significant number" of an NSN.

Adding the 99 Nation Identifier it gives the NIIN 99-224-7389

Adding the 8010 NSC for paints, dopes & varnishes gives the NSN 8010-99-224-7389 this just for 5 litres of paint & is not a paint code in itself.

Which is Olive Green which is BSC381C No.220. This is a well established colour & appeared  in the original BSC381 1931 as No.20.

Confirmation of the reconstruction is shown in this extract from FAP1086 Section 33A April 1982.

Robin I saw your post on VMARS Collector, the trouble with the 'Collector' forum is that if anyone replies it is only the original poster who sees it. The rest of us don't know if there were any responses. Unless I can give an immediate answer I don't bother replying as often it takes a while to dig up an answer only to find someone else has already answered. Presumably they haven't answered as you are asking on here.

I am a bit confused because you mention Aircraft Leaf Green but on the VMARS post the code quoted is quite different as 33B 9 42883. I assume that was you on VMARS it would be odd if there were two different enquiries about Aircraft Leaf Green in one evening.

If you can confirm the code, when I get a chance I will look as I have many many RAF Stores fiche from 1970s-80s

These instructional artefacts can have intriguing colour schemes. They should be painted according to a strict protocol that I found in a driver training manual.

A Fox & two Ferrets I saw at D&M School Bovington 1994.

1 hour ago, 64EK26 said:

13RE80 was sold at Ruddington Auctions on 12^th June 1961

43YR07 was sold at Ruddington Auctions on 10^th November 1960

 

Richard I suspect those dates were when they were struck off census, there were no auctions on those dates. They were sold several auctions later on each occasion on the second day.

13 RE 80 on 23rd November 1961 £30

43 YR 07 on 19th April 1961 no idea of price it was part of a multiple lot of 16 trucks

Not strictly necessary Larry, a national identifier was only intended to be displayed in a NATO role that has two or more member countries.

But if you really want them Colin Voss has been successfully selling repro stickers for years:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/256329309129

I've got some colourful pictures of sectioned Ferrets that I took at the D&M School Bovington about 30 years ago. I'll see if I can find them.

1 hour ago, Scammell4199 said:

So it would be possible to insulate between the two skins?

Mine was manufactured already insulated with fibre glass wool. If you tell me the exact description of the trailer I may well have the full FVRDE Spec.

That's rather tedious to put it mildly. There is no LR section at Builth this year, everyone has jumped ship to attend the LRM Show at Malvern. Not decided yet but it chokes me to pay to enter a vehicle, not the done thing!

8 hours ago, 10FM68 said:

but, I fear, the Lightweight will be sold this year as I can't drive it anymore.

Oh heck that's a blow for you. Is that driving anything or just due to the restrictions of layout in the LtWt?

Yes funnily enough my 6 cans from MG arrived today as well.

My experience with specialist paint suppliers is not good. Although I was not on this occasion after a BSC381C paint, I wanted to match up a shade of the green used on my Shorland when issued to the RUC in 1966. I managed to lift a large area of paintwork revealing the original colour on a front wing.

So off I went with the whole wing to a paint supply company who boast that they can reproduce colours used on classic cars built in the 1950s and 60s. But they were not interested in my sample; the conversation went like this:

Me “Can you mix me a paint to match this?”
Him “I only need to know the year and model of the car?”
Me “I don’t think that would help you, this is for a vehicle with a limited production”
Him “All cars have a paint code or paint name. It is in the parts book, don’t you have the parts book?”
Me “Yes, I do but it is not in there, it just covers parts.”
Him “Look I’m just trying to help you, unless you want to tell me the paint code, I can’t mix it.”

So, I found another paint specialist that had been recommended to me. They gave me a shade guide and suggested I should match it to my sample. They expected me to do this indoors under artificial lighting, after some fuss I was allowed to take the shade guide outside. What seemed to be a close match was a major disappointment when I got it home and allowed a sample to dry and worse still it was a cellulose based paint which is not what I asked for. So that was a complete waste of time and money consulting the professionals.

In the end I mixed my own paint with small samples judging the match after it had dried. In the end I made a concoction from B&Q Appleyard Green, Brunswick Green, Dark Admiralty Grey and black.

When I bought my Wolf the owner who was a perfectionist felt that the Land Rover interpretation of NATO Green was a little different from what normally was used in service. He made up a mix of OD with tractor grey. The colour seems good enough, although rather strange under artificial light.

I have recently had to respray sections with Marcus Glenn NATO Green which I feel is very close to the tins I have of genuine ex-MOD paint. There is a slight difference, but even in service sections repainted with paint from different batches & different contractors was never going to be a perfect match. But hey I have seen many pictures of the doors of in-service Rovers where nobody could be arsed to paint it at all! It was just the original manufacturer's black, just imagine the tut-tutting turning up at a show with an unpainted door!

28 minutes ago, fv1609 said:

By a process of elimination of the Asset Codes of the two main manufacturers, the remaining is 2853-3101 is contract no. LV1A/55

So I assume that is Universal Trailers Ltd which was very similar to R-B as opposed to Viking.

1 hour ago, Rangie said:

Contract: ???????? - Paratow Ltd

By a process of elimination of the Asset Codes of the two main manufacturers, the remaining is 2853-3101 is contract no. LV1A/55

For starters:

WV12094 Sankey

FVE21B/82 Sankey