CMP-Phil

Hi Andy

Always nice to see another CMP being restored or care for, on your search for brake parts, as CMPs are spread all over the world if you add your location to your profile so people can suggest parts source near you.

As to brake cylinders, I went over to have my brake cylinders on my CMPs sleeved probably 30 years ago. Sleeving is a one and done fix on brake cylinders once done you only have to do the routine maintenance of replacing the rubber cups and boots and lines every 7-10 years.

Cheers Phil

Fishing or just don’t know what it is worth

When I see a For Sale listing with no price listed always brings two things to mind for me. First that the seller is on a Fishing Trip looking for a fish to come along and bite, the bigger the fish the better. Just look at all the items on E-bay that are perpetually for sale but never seem to sell. The other option is the seller really just not know what it is worth. Either way the first e-mail or telephone call will likely tell which. There is noting wrong with trying to get as much for an object you are sell if that is your goal.

Having said all that, my introduction to owning an MV came 38 years ago from a rather obscure description of an MV with no price in Hemmings Motor News, no photo and the only real description being “C-8-A” now this was pre-internet so how may of you could have identified it as a CMP (Canadian Military Pattern) HUP (Heavy Utility Personal). Well I had Bart Vanderveen’s Obserers Guide and could actually look it up. Liked what it looked like and armed with a little information called the number in the Ad. The young man who owned it wanted more than I was interested or could pay at that time ($3000 US Dollars just about what a new 4x4 cost at the time) but I was interested so drove 100 miles to look at it and talked with the owner. We talked and I left saying I’d check with him in a couple of months which I did. By that time he was overwhelmed with the lack of interest his ad had generated. Little more talking and it came out he wanted something to go off roading. I said I had just the thing a brand new OSSA Trials Bike which had cost me $900 and a deal was struck straight swap. We both got something we wanted.

Moral of the story- no price listed and your interested give them a call.

Cheers Phil

PS Yes the same HUP as my Avitar Picture

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To help narrow down the search and provide photos of the seats would you tell us Pattern 11, 12, or 13 also is it a Ford or Chevy CMP.

Do you have the seat rails or do you need full units?

Cheers Phil

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Testing Thermostats before putting them in to use. I might have missed it but didn't see any mention of testing the thermostats. I have discovered that many (most) new thermostats are slow to open the first couple of times they are heat cycled. Really annoying to be running in an engine on test stand and all of a sudden see it blowing coolant all over the place.

I test all (new and old) thermostats now before putting them in an engine, simple put a pot on the stove with a thermometer bring water temp up to just below the value of the themostats 140, 160, 180 F etc. Then put the thermostat into the water and watch is as temperture is raised you should see the thermostats open slowly if it is not opening at + 5 of the value there maybe a problem.

But if it is a new thermostat it may need to be exercised to get it going because out of the box they are often slow to operate the first couple of time taking as much as 20 degrees (F) to get them moving. What I do is to bring a pot of water up to just below boil and dip the thermostat in when it opens may take well over a minute dip it in to cold water to close. Do this several times and you should see the thermostat opening and closing faster. Doing this limbering up exercise for thermostats is far less dramatic done in the kitchen than blowing coolant all over the place.

Cheers Phil

Hi Mark

Just for anybody new to CMPs I'll add the obvious most inclusive web forum concerned with CMPs Maple Leaf Up MLU http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/index.php

For those of you who have not visited MLU it is closely focus of Canadian and Commonwealth military vehicles WWII on.

Cheers Phil

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I've cleaned gas tanks, but instead of sand used broken safety glass, the type that breaks into little cubes. Wanted something that if any remained in the tank would not desolve. Worked well.

Cheers Phil

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Now that is a good little, wonder if the original instructional movie has been converted to video with all of the instructions?

Thanks for sharing, enjoyed it.

Cheers Phil

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Interesting thread and problem, hope you will share photos of what you find.

Having had similar problems on other old trucks, of loosing a gear of pair of gears it is always a challenge to diagnose the problem until you open the top of box and look in. Glad you are trying to attack the problem from simple to more complex. It is always such a shame to find out that it was something in the linkage out side the gear box after you have the gear box out and on the bench.

Again look forward to seeing what the actual problem is. I'm hoping it will be a loose set screw.

Cheers Phil

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Enjoyed the photos, well restored vehicles across a wide time period. The tablow displays showed a lot of effort, displays like are not as common on this side of the pond. Full display like that are rare at vehicle shows found more at reenactment events.

Cheers Phil

PS while I was pecking away to comment you posted more photos showing the full nature of event as a reenactment, well done.

Hi All

Well our 29th Summer Rally in Weare, New Hampshire, USA is now in the books with a very good turn out for the week. We never got all the MVs to stand still during the 3 days of the show so a total definitive vehicle count is hard at one point in time we had 118 Military Vehicles on the field in one 18 minute period. But with trail and road rides taking 10-20 vehicles at a time some people have estimated that the total count was 150+/-.

Show had more of an international feel this year with FOUR CMPs attending the show, with Bob C. bringing his Pattern 11 C15A down to the show.

This year the number of LARGE US military trucks was up with one group arriving in convoy

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Photo below will give you and idea of the show.

For more photos and some links to videos visit the MVMVC web site photo page http://mvmvc.org/photos/

Cheers Phil

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Fuel level, maybe not be off the mark, have a friend with a CCKW, who had a strange fuel pickup problem. Pin hole in the fuel pickup tube part way up the tube. As fuel level got nearer to the hole engine would start stumble as slugs of air got sucked in, problem was compounded by unreliable gas gage.

Have you tried putting a fuel pressure gage in the line to see if the pressure is staying constant?

Please let us know what the problem or combination of problems you eventually narrow the problem down too.

Cheers Phil

Hi MG

Once had a car that had the same intermittent spark problem, and in the end we put one of those ignition monitors on it to see if it would help diagnose the problem. Car worked perfectly so we took the unit off car started acting up again put the ignition monitor back on problem went away.

Traded the car in five years later with the monitor unit still on and running good.

Cheers Phil

Hi Neil

Greetings from "New" Hampshire, some projects take a little longer than others get going. Through Unimog looks like a good find, driving MVS with the top down is great fun. Hopefully many enjoyable driving miles ahead.

Cheers Phil

The only function of the soda in electrolysis is to improve conductivity of the water, it does nothing to the object itself. If there isn't enough soda in the solution the current won't flow very good and the process will be very slow or just stop altogether. So there is a bit of experimenting needed to get the proper amount of soda, but I think I would put at least 1 kg in 100 liters of water.

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You are correct in the context of electrolysis the soda is there to promote electrolysis. But in the process look at ways to improve the rust removal I tried Heating the Water and in the process discovered that Washing Soda will also remove OD paint quiet nicely.

I took a strong solution of washing soda and water in a pot filled with small parts and heated it in electric pot to 180-212 F let it cook for 1/2hour and then pressure washed them with 180F water and the paint all came off. Great way to process bolts small parts.

Cheers Phil

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Picking colors for a web site or any publication can be difficult REDs and GREENs can be particularly difficult as these are the primary colors most affected if you have any color blindness. Color Blindness is primarily a male thing.

Tried to find a good source on the web of specific shades which are best and which are worst but did not find a good web site on the topic.

Do know that for some people this can be a real problem particular when REDs and GREENs are used on a color back ground. Have a friend who is a soccer referee and he has had problems when some one used red orange line paint on grass he could not see the lines.

Thanks to our web master for all his work in keeping HMVF an enjoyable place to share information on MVs. Keeping a forum like this running smoothly is not a small task. Again my thanks for all your hard work.

Cheers Phil

Slightly off topic but on the same track, I have worked on several Honda OHC mower engines fitted with resistor spark plugs which would start and run perfectly for about 3 minutes then die. The culprit in every case was the resistor plug which was failing in some way due to the effects of heat and long term vibration.

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Interesting thread, question for radiomike, how did you determine that it was the plugs at fault? Was it process of elimation, you replaced the plugs with new and the engine would run without dieing?

Cheers Phil

Hi All

Just a quick update as of this weekend our little regional meet 100-150 vehicles is nearly complete booked for camping spaces, all the RV and trailer camping have been booked and paid for. We do have some tent camping spaces left.

If you live in New England USA, think about coming Friday or Saturday.

Cheers Phil

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Nicely displayed don't think I've ever seen one setup to show how the out riggers are used. The photo display boards are really good at giving additional information. Always seem when you do something extra people ask more questions and probably learn more as result.

Cheers Phil

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How about picture, and general location?

Cheers Phil

Hi All of you in the North East United State and Easter Canada

Through a comedy of errors the magazine ads did not get published. So we are trying to get the word out. The 29th Weare Summer Rally is on. We have been running the show for 29 years and you would think we would have all the bugs out of advertising, but stuff happens.

2016 SUMMER RALLY JULY 28-29-30 WEARE, New Hampshire, USA

Don’t miss this annual event - save the date!

This is one larger MV shows in the North East United States, and one of the last with trail rides, road tours, evening outings.

Visit the club web site for more details, be sure to scroll down the page for Youtube Selfie of last years show and other videos of previous years.

Weare Rally information page http://mvmvc.org/weare-rally/

Club Web Site http://mvmvc.org/

Hi Ryan

First I love a mystery. Not being familiar with the Humber which design is the clutch, spring plate like Chevy or coil springs like Fords? Your mystery is a good one for all of us dealing with old vehicle to have tucked away in our heads.

I've had two sudden clutch failures in my Chevy CMPs over the years one from mouse damage, explain in a moment, the other when the dish spring plate on broke. In the case of the spring plate that was an imdiate, bang and then no connection. The mouse caused failure was a little slower but no less complete in disconnecting the engine from the transmission.

With the mouse caused failure the little critters had built a nest in the in the bellhousing. When I pushed clutch peddle in to start the engine the the nest basically exploxed and was thrown out by centrifical force to the sping assembly and wedged into the folcrum of the clutch fingers keeping them from pressing the clutch in.

Please do let us know what you find as the cause.

Cheers Phil

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Interesting question, what I've done to attach modern military tow bar (heavy) to my CMPs is took two of the modern towing pintal plates and drilled them to match the mounting plates CMPs Towing Pintal bolt pattern. Then I just carry that plate and longer grade 8 bolts with the towning bar. That and good ratched wrench makes the switch over pretty quick. Also makes nice tight fit and the vehicle tow well, never have had to use it on a really long tow but few miles under less than ideal conditions works great.

Bigger issue I've had is being able to stop the towed vehicle but that was towing WWII with WWII vehicles I suspect that you are talking about towing WWII with more modern MVs.

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Now tell us a little about your interest in MVs.

Lots of interesting old threads for you to catch up on.

Cheers Phil

Not many I would think Phil. The UK being a lot smaller than the USA we really only have two club newsletters/magazines, Windscreen for the MVT and Imprint for the Invicta Military Vehicles Preservation Society.

Thanks for the reply, yes I've had the pleasure of reading MVT Windscreen on a number of occasions, have also been read the [h=2]Decent classic military vehicle magazines?[/h] thread, with interest as it relates to commercial MV publications.

What I'm wondering is what is tieng MV enthusiasts together, as you point out the UK is smaller than the US. How do the regional groups get club information out to their members?

Cheers Phil

Like many fabric cleaning solutions instructions say, test on inconspicuous spot first.

Trick from one time car detailer, warmth is your friend in removing old tape. I use a hair dryer to warm dried on masking and duct tape.

Things like bumper stickers will often resist a pressure washer with cold water, but the same unit running hot tap water will peal it off.

Cheers Phil