Charawacky

The Maples Lorry was indeed a subsidy lorry

According to the RAF over 1000 lorries were registered to the scheme prior to the Great War

A £50 grant towards purchase cost and £20 per year thereafter for agreed maintenance

The army would then have the option to purchase the vehicle in the event of an emergency.

Tom

I've only just twigged the relevance of this letter, which I previously posted in the water cart restoration thread:

 

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Hi Runflat

Trailer will be assembled next week, my attention is turning to the label / plate details and sourcing a replica fuselage! so am revisiting past posts which has prompted me to find this.

London Gazette 18th March 1921

In the Matter of GRICE & HARRISON Limited.

AT an Extraordinary General Meeting of the

Members of the above named Company, duly

convened, and held at Hope Works, Sherbornestreet,

Birmingham, on Thursday, the 10th day of

March, 1921, the following Extraordinary Resolution

was duly passed, viz. :—

" That it has been proved to the satisfaction of this

Meeting that the Company cannot, by reason of its

liabilities, continue its business, and that it is advisable

to wind up the same, and accordingly that the

Company be wound up voluntarily; and that Mr. T.

Ireland, of Messrs. Harrison, West, Ledsam and Co,,

of 16, Waterloo-street, Birmingham, be and he is

hereby appointed Liquidator for the purposes of such

winding-up."

Dated this sixteenth day of March, 1921.

WILLIAM HARRISON, Chairman

I guess this was the fate of many a successful wartime contractor unable to survive on civilian work post war.

I came across an article which relates to a subsidy lorry which gained notoriety through its commercial livery advertising 'HP Sauce - The Worlds Appetiser'. The vehicle which had originally been owned by Maples Store and retained its infamous wartime brilliant scarlet livery when operational with RFC No. 5 Squadron in France in 1914.

No more info but shows how quickly the subsidy vehicles were pressed into service.

Along with a topical subject here is a possible subsidy 1912 vehicle?

What sort is it

http://www.mirror.co.uk/money/city-news/royal-mail-privatisation-vince-cable-2355550

Regarding the 'RAF' type Leylands in Lancashire and Yorkshire railway ownership it is somewhat ironic that considerable numbers of these vehicles were part manufactured and assembled under contract at the L & Y workshops at Horwich and Newton Heath. Production figures included 5318 chassis frames, 2228 front axles and 1504 bodies. ( reference 'The Engineer' 1.8.1919). Unfortunately no Ryknields have surviuved, generally registered in the 'FA ... ' series at the factory in Burton upon Trent. A short spell of popularity in Belgium but a disastrous fire at the exhibition there in about 1909 put an end to that, finally going out of business in 1911.

Richard Peskett.

Richard,

Having spent the last 20 years or so working every day in the Loco works at Horwich it is a revelation to me that RAF Leylands were built here!

I will attempt to find out more.

Thank you for the information.

Tom

I was looking at an Alldays tractor last Sunday

The engine is quite small, half the space between Radiator and bulkhead is taken up by a water ballast tank!

The tractor in the picture looks nicely proportioned from the angle of the photo however the actual machine is really quite cumbersome and crude compared to the it's contemporaries.

All the images are lovely, I do like Leylands with disc wheels

My favourite picture is the three down at heel commercials

I guess the middle one is a Leyland X Type, others are wild guesses Caledonian and Star?

Can someone enlighten me please.

Tom

For Sale

http://www.prewarcar.com/index.php?option=com_caradvert&view=ad&section_id=1&id=85979&Itemid=432

Price look very resonable

Is it 1917?

Here are a few interesting pictures

Truck and field gun, with Royal Navy crew who operated it. This was one of the gun crews located around Shetland in the First World War.

Although not Military it was made just prior to WW1 and such a lovely picture

Model?

Woman with Albion truck, registration number PS 222. first reg july 1914 to Robert D Ganson, Harbor St, Lerwick. Mail & passenger van 14 seats.

Richard, I hope your event comes to fruition, after the centenaries are over the motivation of owners to take their vehicles some distance to an event will recede.

As you say there will be a considerable number of events in late 2014, from August and September mainly in France and Belgian then quiet until Anzac in April 2015, amongst other events there will be the Somme 2016, Passchendaele 2017 and the Armistice in 2018 after which the vehicles will have to wait for the bicentenary, a point not lost on me, apart from the Irish War of Independence!

In addition to honouring the memory of those lost, for me it’s also about mechanics, education (including my own), meeting interesting people and provoking road smiles to brighten the humdrum of daily life.

Hope to cross paths with you in France or Belgian 2014

Tom

Here is a picture of an unusual trailer cut down from an aircraft recovery trailer.

NAMUR, BELGIUM. 1919-03-01. ONE OF THE LEYLAND LORRIES AND TRAILER OF THE NO 4 SQUADRON, AUSTRALIAN FLYING CORPS, CONVOY FROM COLOGNE TO LE HAVRE RESTS BESIDE THE ROAD.

Can you tell me the angle of the taper for the priming cups, looks like I may have to make some.

Once the spring fails and combustion gases pass the seat wears!

Tom

My understanding is that the hope is to have as many WW1 commercial vehicles as possible but it's really up to owners to enter. Cars will be excluded though.

Do vehicle owners have to be a member of the HCVS to enter?

I understand the Beamish Museum is considering organising a more inclusive, representative event in the form of an authentic period convoy which will include genuine WW1 military Lorries, motorcycles and staff cars in conjunction with re-enactment groups. If this comes to pass it will present a unique photo opportunity not to be missed.

Tom

Typical Transport for RFC

Few Mixed convoy pictures exist.

From the latest HCVS magazine:

 

The special class for next year's Brighton run will mark the commemoration of World War 1. This basically will include vehicles from the WW1 era and those derived from the Subsidy designs up to 1920, and WW1 military vehicles in particular will be warmly welcomed.

 

 

Well, we better get that in the calendar then.

Good News,

Are all World War One Military Vehicles to be welcomed ?

Tom

Just completed drawing the Twin Beaded Edge Wheels

How were these put together? dimple rim and inner band then assembled or the other way round?

Tom

Is it the same one? I cant find the original picture now.

Snap!

Here we are again?

http://www.prewarcar.com/index.php?option=com_caradvert&view=ad&section_id=3&id=83479&Itemid=433

Progress on the trailer is moving along slowly, Spent today making the tie angles which bridge from one end to the other under the spring hangers. Toolbox metal structure is also nearly complete.

There is one aspect of the design I cannot understand:

I attach images showing glimpses of vertical flat brackets and chains within the chassis rails above the axle.

Originally I thought these were to restrain the axle to prevent the shackles going over centre

Now I am not so sure -

Any ideas out there?

Tom

Thought I would post a few trailer pictures, this one with twin spare as a load

What are the trucks passing over the bridge?

Sorry about the quality

Tom

Go on then, for us non-bike people, what's the alternative to a chain drive please?

I think V belts were used predominately by on other more common but less advanced motorcycles

By the mid twenties nearly all had seen the light and moved to chain final drive.

WW1 production

3,000 Phelon and Moore

30,000 Triumph

70,000 Douglas

P&M were comparatively a very small manufacturer

Tom

Here is a 1915/16 P&M at the Yorkshire Wartime Experience

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21667585@N03/9232558676/

Adam, Thanks for posting this image

For me the bikes are enhancing the shot!

They are Phelon and Moore 3.5 hp motorcycles (Cleckheaton, Yorkshire).

AK reg Bradford (Dec 1903 to Mar 1922) LR London (July 1916 to July 1918)

For referance the Maudslay W reg sheffield (Jan 1904 - Oct 1919)

Both bikes have an additional mud shield to protect the engine from front wheel splashes, not seen this before!

Being chain drive the army was not keen on them however the RFC standardised on them.

I see the RAF/RFC used Maudslays according to your other posting on the Maudslay thread.

Thanks again,

Tom

Marks superb ww1 Albion truck, will also be attending the Yorkshire Wartime Experience show 5-7th July. www.ywe-event.info where it will be in attendance with another rare ww1 era truck & know less than 8 ww1 re-enactment groups.

Stu

Glorious weather, the Albion looking superb attended Saturday, unfortunately missed it as I was there with the Crossley on Sunday .

Tom

Here is a Fiat at STOW MARIES

This WW1 aerodrome is well worth a visit

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151625949638959&set=vb.247392008958&type=2&theater

Tom

The old and new

Ford T?

Battle of Megiddo (1918) Destroyed Turkish transport

Another

http://www.prewarcar.com/index.php?option=com_caradvert&view=ad&section_id=1&id=81485&Itemid=432

Tom