Kent Transport History

13 hours ago, Jerryjeeprichard said:

Hi Deborah. 
 

I think I had contacted few years ago on this saw bench, I hadn’t made the association this was the same one you had. 
 

Looks quite complete. Other than been a death trap to be near when it’s running. How does the little JAP engine handle when under load?
Have you anymore up to date images you could share? 
 

Interested to know what model the JaP engine is, 5 or 6? Is the belt multiple v belts or one flat belt. 

 

Regards 

 

Richard 
 

 

Hiya, it's a monster, but not without a sharp blade. Most cutting can be done on tick over. Don't know what JAP engine it has, the shed it was in, is in the process of being rebuilt, so it's in another being stored. It'll probably come out in the winter again, as the wood runs low. 

On 8/5/2023 at 7:33 PM, Tony Lawrence said:

There is (or was) another sawbench trailer out there. Around 2014 I tried to buy this one. It was covered in other vehicle parts in a run down garage. It was a typical horders paradise and the owner was not bothered enough to extract it. He gave me a couple of photos of what it used to look like and I managed to take a couple of it in situ, including the post-war plate.

Goodness knows what has happened to it.

On 8/13/2023 at 11:53 PM, Jerryjeeprichard said:

Little progress on the trailer. 
 

I wasn’t sure what condition the spare blade box was in, looked good, but the only way to be certain was to remove it. 

No rot, great condition, just required the layers of paint removing, good sand up, treated to a thin layer wood preserver, 

 

 

 

On 8/5/2023 at 7:33 PM, Tony Lawrence said:

There is (or was) another sawbench trailer out there. Around 2014 I tried to buy this one. It was covered in other vehicle parts in a run down garage. It was a typical horders paradise and the owner was not bothered enough to extract it. He gave me a couple of photos of what it used to look like and I managed to take a couple of it in situ, including the post-war plate.

Goodness knows what has happened to it.

Its still in regular use every winter, cutting up firewood.. At the time, when you were invited to come see it, the whole place was subject to probate, and stuff had to be left as is..  Gordon would only have sold it, if the proceeds were enough to buy another working saw bench. 

It's a monster if you ask me, I don't like getting within 10 feet of it when it's running!

Now the estate is settled, he now plans to keep it, along with the generator unit, and all the other locally found WW2 stuff they collected. 

Hi, 

Just to update some people who saw the Morris for sale on Facebook a few weeks ago. 

It was removed from Facebook, as it became aware, that the older family members who owned the land on which the vehicle was sitting, would not allow it's removal across their land, as it was blocked by a large cesspit too weak to move anything over, some buildings, and other obstacles. This was actually the reason WHY it had been sitting there for so long, at first, it all seemed like a joke, but they kindly relented, and allow a site visit, which showed us just how hard any recovery would be. 

So to make it happen at all, a madcap plan was needed. The only option was to get it rolling on site, slew it, move it down an embankment, across 2 ditches, and out 1/4 of a mile through a wood! Finally, yesterday, after a few trips digging it out of it's 50 year resting place, getting it movable, and starting the slow, and really tricky job of extracting it from a wood, it's out in the open. 

I think we did it, just to show to ourselves it could be done, and to also see it saved before it fades away.  Anyone Who knows Gordon Reeves (AKA 'Flash') knows how good he is at solving these kinds of problems. It was a LOT of graft!

Was very surreal to sit in it, and steer it through the woods. An elderly gentleman who has known of the truck all his life, came and watched proceedings. The Truck was one of a number converted at a local garage, and was used as a wooding winch tractor. It has seen some hard times, but is mostly still there, remains of one door was found, along with one good fuel tank, and some other parts. Luckily, everything missing is easier to make stuff. 

As from here? Time to remove everything non WW2, and see what's needed. Contract number Appears to be V4999 - 273 

We are not sure if we will restore it ourselves yet, as we have a C4 project that is going to take a long time, plus other projects, but at least it's saved!

If it was 1 BP as the original advert mistakenly claimed, the restoration would be small change! 

Hi all, 

Happy update to the Morris C8 Mk3 No5 body in Sussex. 

Finally, after a seriously tricky recovery through woods, it's safe. Number was nothing special, error of seller. 

Nice restorable vehicle, will be assessing it and deciding where to go from here. 

Will be doing separate post with photos of the rescue. 

Hello, and apologies if i'm late to the conversation.  It's an LDV200 series, and most prob mod. I have a couple of slightly later mini busses. They were used for all kinds of work, and most bases had a few dotted about. It could also be RAF, as they also had green vehicles at that time. 

Hi Bob, it's MPV Restoration, MPV Windrush, Egg Hill Rd, Charing, Kent, TN270HG

Thanks. 

10 hours ago, Bob Grundy said:

Deb

You are the first to reply (first come first served) so it is yours

Bob

Cheers Bob, were are you based? I sent you a PM with tel. For Covid safety, I could Send you a small box to post it, if you give me dims.  I can then have it collected? 

deb

Hi Bob, Mark (Tillings) put me onto you! 

I have some morris projects, and could dearly use this please!

Can pay posting. 

Deb

Wow, amazing photos.. 

An emotive topic...   They who are without sin can only throw the first stone comes to mind!

It's the classic trade off between authenticity, and reality, Original Pattern, and Original Parts:

Original Renovated Vehicle (totally original parts)

Original Restored Vehicle (parts replaced, but restored it's original state)

Original Pattern Vehicle (original vehicle rebuilt to match a genuine vehicle)

Replica Vehicle (built to match exactly a genuine vehicle, bar some 'swap over' parts)

Look Alike Vehicle. (built from outset to only depict an original vehicle. 

Take an example of a Willy's Jeep. You can change everything, with new parts, so if you do that, is the vehicle truly original? but then if the parts are 100% exact copies, then is that really harmful?  The thing really lost is petina, and service damage. But a lot of restorations take most of this out anyway.   

How many Jeeps would be with us now if we didn't have these shiny new parts?  far fewer!,  so extensive part replacement isn't a bad thing, as long as sellers are honest about originality.  

Almost no spitfires would be flying now, unless substantial replacement was acceptable. 

And when restoring a vehicle, sometimes you have to fit used parts of the same type, but in better condition, for example fitting an engine from another vehicle that is in a running state.  For our Morris C4, we are fitting a running engine from a later (postwar) vehicle, as it saves about £4000 on the bill.  The original engine will be kept, and restored at a later date, if the 'temp' unit is wears out.

If a vehicle is so rare it's totally gone, then a replica is fine, but to what extent do you copy the original?  I think a very close copy is acceptable, but there must be a will to eventually create a 100% exact vehicle. If you don't have an original engine and drivetrain, then maybe ensure the vehicle is built in a way to eventually retrofit one. 

Another example is our Morris. It was a Radio truck, but nearly nothing remains of the Back Body. Not even information, or patterns. The whole vehicle is so extensively deteriorated, there is a huge amount of work just building a rolling chassis,  so we are building a GS version for now, but in a way where any future owner could simply swap parts for the correct items, or build to 100% original spec. 

So the day our Morris is finished, it will look amazing, but only be 30% of the original vehicle by weight?  but 100% authentic to an original WW2 vehicle, 70% to it's original build.  It will be capable of being 100% one day, with about 50% of originally fitted parts. 

Some things can be acceptably altered, like a design that was weak, or unsafe, but the alteration should still look as close as possible to an original. 

I've seen some WW2 vehicles with 8.8 metric fasteners on them, and even steel sizes vary, and can be spotted. 

But for our Morris, even though it deviates in some ways, it will still have original pattern steel, fixings, wiring, ect, ect.  

I think building a Replica, and not bothering to even try and keep to original pattern design, and fit, is a lost opportunity. It is possible to make something as accurate as it can be, with an approach to allow later alteration.  

Why is a Replica being built? is it simply as part of a bigger display, when it's inclusion, helps tell a story?  (i.e. an important historical event, or to show an activity) For example a Fibreglass Spitfire on a genuine queen Mary Trailer, to show how they were recovered. 

But building an entire WW2 tank hull with welded 12mm steel, instead of rivetted 50mm plate, is changing it's historical context from the original so far, it's no longer possible to 'back engineer' it. 

If a Replica's design, from the outset, ignores the aim to upgrade it later to an authentic pattern vehicle, it is not even worthy of the term 'Replica', and the term 'Look alike' is more accurate. 

Sometimes a Lookalike is totally fine, for instance for re-enactors, who don't want to spent £2million for a German Tank! 

But if the Replication, is going to be the centre of any long term historical collection, then to spend fortunes, building it incorrectly, is a bit of a waste. Yes, we can't afford to build it 100% correct for now, but we can build what we can, with an aim to one day, someone else improving it to a more authentic replica. 

The future for restoration is bright, and with modern tech, even the most impossible to recreate parts in 50 years, will be within reach of restorers, so why not think about the future, and build a Replica, than can easily be upgraded? 

Then some heavy research is needed first, to establish what was built locally, and how to tell. not easy, but possible. 

how many churchill lines were there? and what were the years/numbers produced?

9 hours ago, ruxy said:

I can't see any problem constructing a  1:1 scale  replica chassis out of mild steel plate and at relative low cost .  Basic boilermakes profile burner ,  rivet heating hearth & associated gear ,  or if welded - a good CO2 cake-icer .  It is not as if you are on coded pressure vessel work.

You may be able to get your hands on your firm's blueprints ?    Otherwise you need somebody in Sweden with a imperial tape-measure, pencil & paper.     I speak as somebody who served 6 years in a British Railways workshop ,  1 year as junior draftsman - then went to sea  LoL

Then you just need all the bolt-ons as   ££££££££££   allows..

The wasted cost of building a replica, you may as well find something genuine, and do a steady 'rolling' restoration on it. It's one of the interesting things I find in museums. finished stuff bores me a little lol. 

Have you considered a lottery grant, to assist in paying for an acquisition/ heavy recovery?  

A genuine local historical subject is always worthy of lottery funds

Hello,

there is a hulk of a churchill somewhere in kent still, not sure where though. 

10.50 x 16 please 🙂

The hubs look way too heavy for anything small on the road.. It's not an axle from some small loading or service vehicle? The gear ratio would be a big teller 

An old Humber Hawk.. Half of one!

1 hour ago, Rootes75 said:

Superb, its great that it has been saved and I am sure you can bring it back to life.

Its lovely seeing things in this sort of condition being kept and not scrapped!

It's a kind of grudge project.  My ex father in law owned it, and reckoned i'd never be able to do it.

2 hours ago, Rootes75 said:

Sounds interesting, any pictures?

What you would call a basket case! 

But, a lovely project. At the moment, I'm going to build it with a simple GS body, until such a time when I can find out 

exactly what the body was. about a third of the work is the body and fittings.

4 hours ago, Tony B said:

Ive got some Climax pump parts looking for a home if you want them. Project that went haywire due to unforssen circumstances. Don't want to throw them out if they have ause. PM if intrested.

Hi tony B..  Mine is a Dennis, but I do have an interest in Rootes stuff, might be some that can be of use.  Where are you?

Hello,

I am starting the restoration of a C4, and need any parts, even u/s parts for patterns, drawings, parts lists. 

Hello All. 

From Kent, I am the owner of a Morris C4 Radio truck. 

Looking for any parts / plans to assist it's restoration. 

Also a Dennis Fire Pump trailer, Royal Navy 109", and C8 FWD (chassis and parts)