Jolly Jeeper

I'm glad to help. Something else that I should have mentioned is that - as you have said - many NEKAFs are painted as US Army Jeeps (just like Hotchkiss M201s I suppose) but the differences are evident as I'm sure you know. If yours is missing any bits I have the very small protectors for the Dutch side-marker lights that came in a box of bits I bought - there may be a few other bits that I won't need either. I'll look when I go to my shed next.

Like you, I think a usable green Jeep that's not too perfect is a worthwhile thing that offers scope for fun use - people have had almost stock Lightweight LRs for the same reason for years! 

Cheers!

I'm building one out of budget bits - far from original but will do the job - and it's given me an idea of how much bits are. One big issue seems to be about the 24v components on for those so equipped (they are pricey for US made M38A1s).

A 'pro' is that there are lots of parts available in Holland and the US. I have bought a lot of parts from Monty2000/Atlantic Automotive/Roy Harris on eBay and the reason that I mention this is that if you browse his sale items you'll be able to get an indication of the cost of anything you need to replace. Mine is going to needs its rusty T90 box rebuilding and I doubt that it'll be cheap but the bits are available.

The other thing I have noticed is that there are some 'optimistically' priced complete vehicles that turn up on eBay - sad but true; the M38A1 in US or NEKAF form doesn't command anywhere the price of the wartime MB/GPW. 

Increasingly the presence of a V5 on anything imported pushes prices up.

16in solid Jeep wheels fetch more money than 15in CJ5 rims. 

7.00x16 NDT bar grips aren't as plentiful as 6.00s on MBs.

Increasingly people are scared of projects so good buys are possible... This is perhaps a long-winded way of saying, start cheap as you can always up your bid!

JC 

4 minutes ago, Ian L said:

Some folk have no sense of humour

Or maybe some people fail to see the humour in sarcasm... 

On 11/4/2019 at 9:39 AM, andym said:

This does raise the very interesting question of "who is an MV show for"?  If it's just the owners, why not just find a field somewhere to meet up?  If it's for the public then surely it must take into account their interests?  

This is the crux of the matter - there are owners' meetings and there are big public shows. You pays your money and takes your choice. To some extent, I suppose that choice is influenced by what individuals want from their vehicles. Personally I prefer the low key events and owners' club events and just driving my old junk but, equally validly, others like attending shows and having an exhibit there. I guess, if you're going to a commercial event, you're going to their party so have to abide by their rules. Whether such rules lead to the continuation or growth of a show is another matter altogether. 

13 hours ago, Ian L said:

If only !!!!!!!!  then there would be more room for real military vehicles.

You're absolutely right, after all it's not like the Half-Ton was designed to fulfil a military contract, was not sold new to civilians while it was in production, was used by three services, was sold to overseas armies, was available in various specialist guises,  served in Ulster, Germany and beyond, had a 24v FFR system, was the British Army's standard 4x4 for years, could be stripped for heli-lifts, could be loaded side by side in a transport plane... No, you're right it's not a 'real military vehicle' at all. Here's one of my non-military Land Rovers - it's RAF blue as supplied so it must be civvy right?

Jolly Jeeper

Taiwanese mountain bike

Green canoe

Blue Land Rover

Garden shears

'32 Ford pick-up

Shopping trolley with wonky wheel

Steel wheelbarrow

Morris Minor pick-up

Raleigh 'shopper' folding bike

Matchbox Scammell Explorer 

6 hours ago, GTB MAN said:

As I have been restoring MV for a long time all WW 11.  And some rare ones .I am about half way restoring  a 1950 series’1 Land Rover . Witch is more of a challenge than some of the WW11 trucks  . I hope to take it to any show  as it still part of our history of transport 

Very nice job! Some of the original parts are dearer than Jeep stuff too now but I'm sure you know that... PS, I've been having fun in this '53 for 20 years now (not as original or nice as yours is going to be) seen here with its early Sankey trailer 

23 hours ago, rambo1969 said:

As a long term landy owner, I feel limiting landy numbers is snobbish.
The land rover is the most used MV all over the world, therefor, there will be more in private hands.
There is room for all of us in this hobby.

As someone who hasn't been without a leaf-sprung Land Rover - civvy or military - since 1989, I'll second that. The British Army has used Land Rovers from 1948 to the present. Some people see them as 'entry level' vehicles because they are the only 'readily available on a budget' military vehicles these days, others have them for ever. 

If people exclude entry level vehicle owners from shows, shows will be smaller, traders will be fewer due to reduced footfall, things will be more expensive because those who make the numbers up will take their money elsewhere  etc etc. etc, insert the interminable discussion here.

On 10/14/2019 at 3:15 PM, LarryH57 said:

  So me included, might too many Land Rovers be a burden (except in a LR anniversary year) or if they have no great historical past such as those LRDG type 'pinkies'?

 

Just wondering, do all those 82AB Hotckiss M201s have a 'great historical past'?

(I should add that I have had an 'Americanised' Hotchkiss and am not picking on them specifically, merely using another group of vehicles to illustrate the difficulty of supporting one group of military vehicle owners at the expense of another). 

Who could forget the Fantic Chopper?

11 hours ago, johnwardle said:

 

Having a military event without an enemy is like having a boxing match with only one person in the ring.

 

It is possible to argue that - seeing the Germans didn't get here in 1940, having them at a 'living history' event in the UK isn't very accurate... I'm sure I could think of a sarcastic phrase about 'having an Englishman in a Nazi uniform is like having a...' 

Military Minor details

20 minutes ago, fv1609 said:

This surely is a Morris panel van, not a Traveller.

 

I don't think anyone is saying this is a Traveller tbh. 

Like this '32 BB but with a different cab configuration

The one at the front centre could possibly be an early thirties Ford, maybe a BB, the bigger version of this;

Bomb Disposal Traveller

3 hours ago, radiomike7 said:

Traveller Wimik??

Would this be a genuine bomb disposal vehicle or has someone made it up?

 

This belonged to the late Godfrey Crew from South Wales. I have seen more military Travellers than anything else but can't say definitively either way

On 9/16/2019 at 4:12 PM, andym said:

Ours was more subtle - it even retained (widened) steel wheels and hubcaps.

Andy

Yes, I prefer the subtle ones too - that pic was simply the most recent one I've seen. I had a two-door with a 1275cc Marina engine, axles, discs etc. 

3 hours ago, andym said:

One of my friends at college had a soft top split-screen convertible.  We put a Rover 3.5 litre V8 in it ...

Andy

People are still at it - this was at this year's National Rally with Rover V8... 

Here's a LHD BAOR Traveller - Dutch registered now - seen in 2013

On 9/14/2019 at 8:19 PM, Tony B said:

A friend of mine at college had the Minor 1,000,000 .

Here's a pretty Million that I photographed last year

25 minutes ago, Tony B said:

Has made me think the old Moggy is an iconic vehicle. Asociated with Bomb disposal, Distric nurses, Police panda cars, the GPO and the wheels falling off. 😀

Not long after I'd learnt to drive in a Traveller, I used to see the adverts for the auctions of cast military Minors in the paper. Some of the spares - re-con engines on pallets and the like used to turn up  for sale through dealers at MMOC rallies. Here's my civvy one this year

Here's someone else opinion on icons of World War Two; a quote from "The Great Crusade" by General Dwight D. Eisenhower: "Incidentally,four other pieces of equipment that most senior officers came to regard as among the most vital to our success in Africa and Europe were the bulldozer, the Jeep, the 2-1/2-ton truck and the C-47 airplane."

4 hours ago, wally dugan said:

To be different the LIBERTY ships would get my vote as a much over looked  part of ww2 its role made a great deal to the  out come

I like this - there's no doubt that the Liberty ships played a huge part in WW2 but also changed the way ships were built as one was launched every seven(?) days in the US. By 1943, my dad was an apprentice joiner in a Mersey shipyard and recalls some coming in to to the Mersey on their maiden voyages laden with supplies. He told me that some used to crack their hull somewhere in rough seas and, in the Mersey, they had a reinforcing repair carried out before sailing out again... This is just a tale about ships that I remember him telling. A couple of liberty ships the SS Jeremiah Johnson and the SS Jeremiah O'Brien  are preserved in the US 

Here it is on BBC Sussex; 

3 minutes ago, SirLanceUK said:

Going back to the subject reflections on war and peace, several people talked about other shows, I noticed tanks, ,trucks and firepower running this weekend. As I am out of the country I am unable to attend but it s this the ‘other’ show people in the thread have been talking about?

They may also have been referring to Wartime in the Vale and the Yorkshire Wartime Experience -June and July dates respectively. There's the Capel show too