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great photo richard i never realized C&C were such an old company.all info of the day points at daimler lorrys from guinness. BUT only 3 were armoured at the railway works and are well documented. there may have been more (possibly three) 2 of which were armoured at guinness and a 3rd in a local engineering shop. although writings of the day just refer to them as armoured motors lorry.
any chance you could ID the lorry in this 1922 photo . .
is it a karrier
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i see this post on the axis history forums,, info wanted on jeffery quad's & ''FORD ARMOURED CARS'' that were used in ireland 1919/1920, we had a thread about the jefferys a while back but a ford a/c i have not heard of and was woundering is it maybe a workshop 1 or 2 made or a production car,,,,, any info please.
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most of the gun slots are painted to fool snippers, i know 3 lorries were built and when thing's cooled down they were giving back to guinness one story has it that they were built in guinness ( i dont think the guinness trains were that big to have a smoke box's like that), and one story has it they were built in gsr railway works inchicore, i think you have 2 or even 3 of them.
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is there not one of the l180 in cork {private owner} he got it from the curragh as a restoration project i belive it was in a bad way with noth left on it i think it had been use to keep the rest of them running. this photo was a good fue years before it was sold.
the guy in cork/kerry sold it in 2005 to that private owner in the netherlands he had the ongoing restoration on the internet ;;; search under landsverk m38
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private museum middle east
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Ahhh! Thought that would provoke a response. It is in private ownership and not all that far away from you. It is the one used in Michael Collins, which has a replica body (not as good as this one), but on another original Peerless chassis. That chassis sold in the UK in the early 90's and made its way across the sea.
You can see film of it Youtube at the football stadium massacre.
i have got more info on this site than i have from my own neighbours i'll have to give the camera a good service and hopfully get some photos next year. at the start of this year i thought we had no peerless it turn's out we have two.i have only ever heard rumors about a armoured lancia and through this site i discovered there is one in a private collection in england its not for public viewing but its nice to know there is one still around.
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Just as a matter of interest, I can tell you something about the origins of those two Peerless Chassis'. A few years ago, I was given the tip-off that two old "caravans" were being dismantled at Christchurch near Bournemouth - they had been used as holiday accommodation for many years and the site on which they were located was to be properly developed by Builders, so they had to go. The "caravans" were home-made and like so many holiday or temporary buildings put up at the time - probably 1920's or 1930's, they were erected on old lorry chassis'. Whether this was to get around Planning Permission - because the caravan/hut could then be considered as moveable and on wheels, I do not know.The "grapevine" was active again and a friend knew that in our "queue" of things to be done, we had a Peerless and that perhaps they would be of some use to us.
I went to see them - the wheels were pretty rotten - and there was really nothing there that we wanted apart from a few original Greasers and some sound brackets. On top of this, it appeared that the only way that they could be removed from the site was by crane. So apart from salvaging those few bits and pieces, we let them go.
Sometime, later another friend contacted us as he wanted an original WW1 lorry chassis to adapt it or use it for something else - and we gave him the tip-off about these Peerless'. He recovered them, but ultimately did not use them and they ended up as shown in Tim's photograph above. It is very satisfying that one has survived "to fight again".
One very interesting thing about one of those two chassis' - it was heavily re-inforced with a lot of additional steel. Now some Peerless' were used as Gun Lorries and we wondered at the time if that particular chassis could have been one of those - with all the additional steel inserted to cope with recoil? I guess we shall never know.
And how many other chassis' are there still scattered around the countryside, hidden under old sheds or caravans? Please keep your eyes open and be aware!
Tony
think im going through the middle age crisis (AGAIN) this is very interesting stuff, i have worked on a couple or classic car restoration so im always looking over the heage and through the gaps in the side of old barns to see whats there.
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thats a great link rlangham i have that same pierce arrow photo in a early armoured car book by e bartholomew from the 80s i remember trying to stratch build little scale model from old photos with very little info. its great to have all this info/photos/scale drawings/chat,,,at your finger tips.
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3 peerless armoured cars( where is number 3)
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thats great info (well done that man)my interest in the military stuf is only recent (apart from 1/72 scale)but i heard there was someone over in bovington with a measuring tape at the peerless i thought it was going to be a scratch build, i only posted the peerless cus i seen you were asking about it on these forums back in 07 i put it in my album i thought someone would have ask about it. she look well great to have one.
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Any chance of smuggling into my Christmas stocking? :flowers:
maybe the 1/76 austin verison
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dont have much info on this recent restoration in the curragh camp co kildare,, should see a lot more of it next summer.
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ireland purchaes eight landsverk L180 armoured cars from the swedish firm ab landsverk in the mid to late 30s the L180s were built on the chassis of a scania three axel truck and were powered by a bussing nag v8 it had a crew of 5 its armour was 5-8mm thick armament 20mm anti tank gun and two 303 mgs they were in service with the irish army ontill the mid to late 80s three were scraped but 5 still servive today,,photo "1" transport museum dublin "2" curragh camp co kildare "3" under restoration private owner netherlands "4"axvall armour museum sweden "5" amerfoort museum netherlands.
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Thats a nice picture of a Lancia. One of 7 converted to run on the railway. Top speed of 45 mph forwards and 20 in reverse. Six of the seven were later converted back to run on the road. The axles were widened to run on the 5 foot 3" gauge of Irish railways. Thanks for posting that.
Tim
i see you have karl martin
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hi to all,, my name is dave from co kildare ireland i have an interest in all military vechicle pre 1945 my main interest would be irish & british vehicle.
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inchicore railway works dublin 1923
Early ASC Motor Lorries.
in Pre WW2 vehicles
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A page from a 1970 book (military transport of ww1) Probably not the same Daimlers as the Guinness 1916 Daimlers but may be of some interest to the thread.