mark m uk

30 minutes ago, REME 245 said:

Not just airborne use and a lot of people ask silly prices for something which is not rare apart from in the condition Richard has.   I remember dealers having them in crates at Beltring probably 30 years ago. 

 

You appear to be missing the air cleaner, end plates, exhaust and cover.   Non-functioning and it that condition I would say no more than about £150.00 - £200.00.

Thank you, really appreciate your answer. 

9 minutes ago, Richard Farrant said:

Have one of these unused in a crate with spare parts  and instruction book. Made be several manufacturers, but believe Stuart Turner Ltd initially designed it. Others like Enfield and Douglas also built them.

Thank you Richard, very useful - really grateful for you sharing your knowledge. 
Do you (or anyone else) have any idea about value on these things? 
it isn’t mine, doesn’t run - but my mate asked me to find about it. 

37 minutes ago, Rob Abbott said:

Hi Mark

Looks to me to be the WW2 lightweight 80 Watt generator used for charging up Wireless batteries. It was widely used most notably as standard Airborne signals equipment and was fitted in vehicles such as Airborne Radio Jeeps. 

Hope that points you in the right direction for any further research. 

Regards

Rob

Thank you Rob, that is priceless - really appreciate your help. 

Does anyone have any ideas or information about this little charging unit? 

Well, the dots are definitely joined up now.

thanks Citroman - that is very interesting and useful information. 

Regards,

Mark. 

2 minutes ago, Richard Farrant said:

Hi Mark,

If the registration is French civilian, then the 14 means it was registered in the Calvados region, Caen, Normandy

Thank you Richard, your sleuth skills are to be applauded.

I love it when all the dots join up - so, it would seem that this was indeed used in Normandy, captured and pressed into post war civilian service. 

Thanks again, regards, Mark. 

Thank you Citroman, I will start some research based on that.

All I know for sure is that this wS built in Italy.

like many Italian Army vehicles, there is a good chance it was commandeered by the Germans, and entirely possible it found its way to France, as it has original ‘Normandy 3 colour Camo’ paint. 

The only other thing I know is that it was sold at auction in the early 70’s, and came to the U.K. 

So, a good chance it is French.

Can anyone on here tell me if this registration number is Italian Army?

731AJ - 14

Thanks for posting those wonderful pictures - a very rare and interesting vehicle  indeed.

my own project just took a quantum leap forward, after 2 years of searching and placing of adverts, I just acquired an engine from San Marino. 

I am very pleased to hear that - and staying in Spain is wonderful news.

well done on an excellent job - you should be proud.

Do you have a contact for the museum?

I have some SCW memorabilia, that they may like.

thank you,

Agree with my learned friend Enigma - very nice job.

You are to be applauded on your speedy work - well done indeed.

look forward to more updates, thanks for sharing.

Had a break from ‘playing with old army trucks’ - life has a habit of getting in the way of hobbies sometimes.

The 166 has been preserved, parts have been collected, and I am almost ready to start the restoration. 

Only just read about it . . . . . 

In what way do you consider the price “ridiculous” - too much, or too little? 

Hi Enigma,

How are you feller? 

Here are a couple pictures.

It also have engine, hood, radiator, windshield and some body parts.

Any help with a positive identification of the type, would be greatly appreciated.

regards,

mark.

Well, two years later - I just got it home.

The seller was very helpful, honest and generous.

He was genuinely happy that it had gone to a good home.

Thanks to everyone on this thread that helped with opinions and information.

any more contributions of information would be greatly appreciated.

It is four wheel steer! 

The $35k US example you posted is probably not a good price guide as if you look at the photos closely it has evidently not been restored, just tarted up and blown over. This may have been done as a museum exhibit or it may have been done for sale. Either way, it isn't as good as it appears at first glance and it's in the US; it's likely Axis vehicles would fetch more over there than in Europe as they'll be less common.

 

In any case, you can't assume a general restored value from one or two examples.

 

To be honest, I can't help feeling the value of something like this is likely to be 'what you can get for it', which may be a lot or a little depending on who's in the market.

 

You probably should not reckon on making a fortune on it, or buy it with the sole aim of doing so; there are very few vehicles that repay their restoration costs and turn a profit.

 

Really, when valuing vehicles, there are a few ways

 

- what will it make restored, less the restoration cost (difficult to know as not enough are sold);

 

- what is the open market or book value (see above);

 

- what is it worth in scrap or in breaking value;

 

- what is it worth to you;

 

- what does the seller want.

 

If several of these tally, you know you're about right. If you have no idea about any of them, it comes down to how much you want it! If you do really want it and are interested for more than a quick profit then the answer to what it is worth is how much can you reasonably afford to pay for it without stretching yourself.

Good post, very insightful, sums up nicely the dilemma of making an offer on something with an indeterminate value.

I don't have many vehicles in my collection, I don't 'deal' in vehicles - I build houses, and if I wanted to make money then I would just build another house and sell it - more profit in it.

I very rarely buy a vehicle, and even more rarely sell one. I never seek to buy a vehicle and only considered this because it was offered to me - I certainly wasn't looking for one.

The last vehicle I sold was a GPW, and the only reason I sold it was because I had another one, and the guy wanting to buy it had spent a year trying to buy one, was looking at a load of junk and I really didn't want to see him stiffed so sold him mine at a fair price.

Anyway, I like this one, would like to do it up, and would like to rally it. I figure as far as value is concerned it would 'break even' at best, maybe even 'lose' money in the short term but perhaps 'make a bit' in the long.

A couple grand is a fair bid in my opinion.

Wow!

You Sir, are a star - thank you.

Mark.

Thank you again,

More fantastic pictures and great information - I guess if the value of a restored example is £20k ish, (35kUSD) that is the obvious starting point.

i cannot see the vehicle getting restored professionally for any less than that figure.

So, all that leaves is the option to not place any value on the man hours, and swallow that 'cost' - in any event, not going to be a fortunes made out of this, and more likely to be a money pit.

Mark, you could just sound him out as to what he'd like to get for it, and see if that tallies with your thinking. With all the missing panels etc. there's a lot of quite expensive work needed though.

I make you right, that is a pretty accurate summary.

I'm told that some of the panels are there, certainly the windshield is, so some very important panels for repair or patterns.

I'm thinking of offering a couple grand, + or - depending on what panels are there.

Thank you, really appreciate all the replies and research - yes, I am interested in acquiring the vehicle, for a restoration - I am not in a position to pay a fortune though, and not wanting to offend the seller that was kind enough to offer it to me, what would be a fair price to offer?

Thanks again,

Mark.

Thanks Mike,

i also like like it, and agree it is a rare beasty indeed - appreciate the reply, and pictures or links would be fantastic.

i wonder why it is RHD?

Thank you, Very useful link - I am sure that is the one.

I'm guessing that flat folded wings were a later production modification to improve speed of manufacture?

Not used to Italian stuff, so really out of my depth with this -

I'm Guessing Fiat - SPA?

Any idea on model?

If one were offered such a beast - what would be a fair price?

Isn't this a similar one?

http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?30423-WC51-Restoration&p=318961#post318961

Spot on mr Enigma - you star