nuttydon

Just spoken to avery helpful VOSA man on the phone and he can see no reason why it should need an SVA or IVA. It's just that the 1st MOT may be a bit more involved whilst all the basics are recorded to set up a vehicle record.

So wish us luck

Don

Sorry to butt in here - no one has mentioned the dreaded SVA or IVA tests. Do these vehicles need one to get them road registered or is a full HGV MOT sufficient?

Don

I love the comentary saying that clipping on was not done as it slowed things down - Can yo imagine the HSE going for that over here :-D LMAO,

Made my palms sweat just watching it - I think I'll stick to platform lifts (and even those scare me sometimes:D)

Don

Make; GKN Sankey

Body Type; MPV

Taxation Class; Hitoric Vehicle

CC; 9000

Wheel plan; 2-Axle-rigid body

Engine No; N/S

Colour;Green/Black

Nothing else is given. When registering it I keep the details to as little as possible. Brighton office were useless and wanted to charge me road tax ??? so I went over Dartford way and they were great - straight through no problems but that was back in 2005.

Good luck with it,

Don

Please see below (cheers Chris)

Ta Da - my FV's MERLIN report

but errrr . . . Can anyone translate please (I get the sigs bit but not much else)? :nut:

Cheers

The official name of that size of connector is a 'type C' connector. It is much larger than the BNC type. Generally they are for VHF as when using a 'pineapple' on a mast to increase the vehicles std Clansman 353 range. But they can also be used to feed ti an HF set from a Di-pole or end feed as long as the necessary steps are taken to reduce signal leakage.

At each radio mounting point, if you still have your loom in place you will probably have two bnc ended aerial leads. one goes to the aerial mounting point and one to the neighbouring type C jumper. The idea being you can choose vehicle or remote aerials at the radio just by changing a lead.

Looking at the radios in a three set, set-up they are designated; top left-A, Bottom Left-B & bottom Right-C. The 432 aerial mounts are front right-A, rear Left-B and rear Right-C.

hope this helps.

Don

Evidently sometimes they fit them to 'upside-down' brackets mounted to the roof as well? presumibily these are above the radios in the sill or usual mount ?

Does anyone know anything about this?

And any sign of those photos Paul - please

Cheers,

Don

Thats the next job to do on mine - but I bet I don't get anything so exciting :cry:

I did find pfenig near the fuel pump . . . does that count

Don

You should drop the shafts off to save overheating the Auto box (just like on an auto car you should remove the prop or suspend the driving wheels )

An H vehicle is like a tractor or a motorbike and NO supervisor is required when learning (but as stated a second pair of eyes is always useful at any time :cool2:)

And when registering your vehicle put in as little as you can get away with to avoid being caught out in future legislation (i.e 12 seats making it a minibus :-D)

Above all enjoy ownership - A 432 is for life, not just for War and peace :nut:

Cheers for now, Don

Ok so I have my paper record from Bovington up to 1978 but I wanted more upto date stuff

So I contacted the MOD who were very helpful and told me when the vehicle was released but also that at that time any other records they hold will have been deleated. Therfore a blank had been drawn :cry:

Does anyone know if that data is still availiable anywhere and how I can find it?

Cheers,

Don

With those fittings, it would not have been a telegraph station! It was probably decommissioned from that role and locally refitted as a radio-rebroadcast or Radcon (radio control) vehicle.

I am tracking down its later history - but what you say makes sense. Presumably in the role above it would have been parked up and then used a mixture of HF and VHF to relay from active vehicles to HQ and vice versa ?

Is this how a radio-rebroadcast or Radcon worked?

Cheers,

Don

Ok - so having looked at this Thread - Can someone tell me in non-army speak what role mine would have played in this whole set up? It is listed as a Telegraph Station, Carrier Mounted. (as shown on that list a few pages back).

What would it have done and what would it have had fitted in/on it? Currently it has a genny braket on the radiator grill and two clarke/racal mast style mount brakets welded to the RH side. Inside it is wired for three radios and there is evidence of an additional two shelf radio bracket being fitted on the left had track sill at the back and signs of another, now missing, loom that went to this area ??

All ideas greatly appreciated

Don

Oh yes - those Witham 432's :nut: - They were fantastic. All week I kept trying to think of ways to justify buying one . . . . but by wednesday the other half sorted that decision for me by buying a RB44 instead - evidently so she has a 'bit of green too' - lol

Come on Martin, Get it right. It was 3AM, 3.15AM & 3.30AM! :-D

Seriously though, it was stupid & Selfish to do this at that Event. I can only ASSUME that it was Alcohol Fuel-ed?........

Ahhh but they must have had the maroons, reports, thunderflashes, Aerial airbursts or whatever it was with them in the first place. So although alcohol may fuel late impromptue parties or loud singing I don't think it is to blame here - They should not have had any pyrotechnics with them in the first place on site - the rules are very specific about that.

But yep earplugs are often the answer - I have to wear them when I work quite frequently with a pair of 'peltors' as well due to the noise levels. And they block out almost everything.

However apart from the loud bangs early AM I found the Americas field to be very, very quiet at night and quite a little refuge from the beer tent and re-enactors field.

I had a fantastic W&P - best one yet probably in 7 years

Cheers Paul, that would be very helpful :-)

Ok, Ok you got me - sory for my lack of grammar :-D I'll try again with a few more words so the literally minded don't get too confused :shocked: . . . (corrections in italics)

Just to correct you - I didn't call the local residents NIMBYS ! I specifically stated NIMBY as a term on its own to seperate them from the local residents who are very patient with our antics. I was trying to explain that there are a fair share of those types in that area that are very very vocal (I have had dealings with the hop farm on other events and know the grief they get from a small but very motivated and powerful minority)

I have a few friends that live in Paddock wood who say that most are fine with the whole thing but there are some others about that are itching to get the whole place slapped with a noise ban.

(Oh and yes believ it or not the event will have been subject to an extraction licence from the stream).

The whole noise issue could be a real problem. I know that the Hop Farm has regular major issues with locals reguarding noise ESPECIALLY Fireworks. Due to this they can only do the usual November stuff and all other fireworks are banned at any other time of year.

Unfortunately that kind of aerial salute that was let off around 4:00am is just the ammo the NIMBYs need to campaign to get W&P banned.

Whilst unlikely, bare mind that a number of pretty large music festivals have recently been stopped due to their licence being with held on exactly these kind of issues (i.e excessive noice and violent attacks)

Here's hoping Kent Police do not feel that way inclined . . . .

But apart from the few excessive bouts of noise and the dust (where was the water - or is extraction limited on a licence too) it was a really great event.

Heres to many more . . .

Hi there,

I know my 432 was converted to a 'telegraph Station - carrier mounted' early in its life. This is very different to a command vehicle I am led to believe. It would seem it acted as a radio relay unit, decoding/encoding local broadcasts and then sending them back to base. It was evidently common to do this in armour rather than soft skin so the encoders would be harder to capture by an enemy after obtaining the security sensitive codes. . .

Anyway . . as part of my re-fit does anyone know how the surf and turf unit fit in a 432 & and especially how you would fit two sets. I know if one 321 was used with one 353 then a differnt plate was fitted by the door and one of the Tuuam' s was ousted for the Turf unit. However mine had three 353s and 'other' radios - probably HF?!. Obviously the turf/surf combo can not stack on the 321 as it does not then fit on the radio shelf due to shelf/roof clearances. Is there perhaps a plate to attach to the Surf which allows it to use a spare radio mounting slide?

Also what happens if two 321' s are used? and what encoders were in use in 1989 with teh BAOR (DMU?, BID150, etc?)

All thoughts received with thanks as it all helps to complete the picture.

Don

About 15 years ago a chap I know very well built a Fraser Nash Le Mans racing car. He used an original chassis and some original body parts from elsewhere, (he fabricated the rest). In went a Bristol Straight 6 as was correct to type. Later Wheels were mod'd to look right, as were other bits and pieces. etc.

Anyhow a few years later that sold at auction as an 'original chassis based full restoration' for £210,000!

Now how to make my 432 look like the last remaining version of something very rare :cool2:

On a civilian leaning, and whilst I can not personally understand it :-D. . . .Some of the Range Rover Owners Club get quite Sniffy just because I carried out a few mods to this one. (and the paint scheme was my 8 year old daughters choice:) ) However as I would never take it to a show as a Range Rover Classic I can not see the problem.

(Besides I'm sure Solihull were just biding their time before they bought out a Range Rover pickup:cool2:)

Ohh that was misleading by me sorry,

IMO ---

In summary - get a vehicle, find out as much as you can about it, choose a specific period in its (or similar types ?!) serving life and go for it :yay:. (Obviously go for the more interesting periods if possible)

Antarmike - you are so lucky to have all that history (and indded a vehicle with all that history:)). My bloody vehicles records hint at an interesting role in BAOR Signals, but after '74 are proving VERY hard to find:confused:

Don

Chris - Sounds like we are on the same hymn sheet :thumbsup: and no I can not think of a short snappy version either . . . .

The whole thing is a can of worms - but I agree completely with you - I hate to see excessive or out of period equipment and/or markings on vehicles THAT PRETEND TO BE CORRECT. Is fine if you are not showing it and just enjoying it for its own sake, but not so good if you attend shows and hold it up as an example of a correct vehicle of a given time.

On my FV432 I have been led by my vehicles remaining 'fit out' at release on what period it should be kitted too. ('89 fits the bill) Many people just bung stuff on because it 'looks' right without checking if it is correct for their specific vehicle OR the year of use they are restoring to.

Wrong tyres when originals are availiable, stickers, number plates, etc.:argh:

Sorry I am getting lost now How can you 'keep a vehicle original'?

When you buy it privately, even directly from Withams, it will not be 'original'. It will have had gear fitted/removed or been painted, etc, etc.

Most vehicles evolved their whole military life.:coffee:

I think that 'as used in service' is a better phrase. I know this is still open to abuse because people may do their vehicle to a different role to that which it ever under took. But surely as long as the spirit is there and the vehicle is kept to a given spec' , within reason so what?:cool2:

All that work and he didn't go for long travel coilovers - he just de-leafed the old springs and fitted extended shackles. (sorry i'll get me 'off roaders' anorak now)

Old AWDC habits die hard :cool2: