MOT & Tax exempt military vehicles

[Larry Hayward]

I understand that some older military vehicles are exempt MOT because of their age (pre 1941 for an MOT?) But is it according to when they were built or when they were first registered.

 

As for Tax - is it only for vehicles registered some time before 1977? What is the exact cut off date - Is it when they were built or when they were first registered.

 

If you had an MOT & Tax exempt vehicle, that needed a total rebuild of the body, on a good chassis would that preserve its exemptions. And what if you have a good vehicle with these exemptions but the chassis is in need of replacement, would this loose the exemption?

 

I know this subject will probably open up a can of worms but what are the simple rules that decide what is and isn't excempt. Perhaps we can start with 'normal' wheeled MVs, rather than the exceptions like the owner who registered his DUKW as an amphibious hearse. Perhaps we can discuss the dodges (pardon the pun) later!

[sirhc]

MOT exemption depends on vehicle type as well as date of manufacture, since some vehicles are not testable.

 

Vehicles built before January 1973 are Tax exempt.

 

When changing the chassis, for example on a Land Rover, the vehicle would still be tax and MOT exempt, it does not need re-registering.

 

What is a normal wheeled MV?

 

Chris

[Marmite!!]

Larry,

 

have a look at these two MOT exemption forms

 

http://www.dvla.gov.uk/forms/pdf/V112G.pdf

 

http://www.direct.gov.uk/assetRoot/04/00/95/92/04009592.pdf

 

Also look at this thread:

 

http://www.hmvf.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=742&highlight=mot

 

Road Tax Exemption:

 

Exemptions from Vehicle Excise Duty (VED)

The law requires any mechanically propelled vehicle that is used or kept on a road in the UK to pay VED. Schedule 1 to the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994 (as amended) prescribes rates of VED. There are exemptions from paying VED and these are contained in Schedule 2 to the 1994 Act. The main exemptions are:

 

Old Vehicles – vehicles constructed before 1st January 1973 that are not used for hire or reward or in connection with a trade or business.

Fire Engines/Fire Service Vehicles

Ambulances and Health Service Vehicles

Mine Rescue and Lifeboat Vehicles

Vehicles for Disabled People

Limited Use Vehicles – vehicles used for the purposes of agriculture, horticulture or forestry that are only used on public roads in passing between different areas of land occupied by the same person. The distance travelled on public roads between two such areas of land must not exceed 1.5 kilometres.

Tractors/Agricultural Engines

Agricultural lift and loading vehicles

Since 1st January 2002 an additional category of vehicle falls within the Agricultural Machine Taxation Class (Tax Class 40) and attracts a nil rate of duty. To qualify for this additional category there are certain criteria. Vehicles must be:

Designed for off road use; and

Designed to lift and load; and

Used solely in agriculture, horticulture or forestry.

Please note that digging machines will not fall within the scope of the Agricultural Machine tax class.

 

Mowing Machines

Steam Powered Vehicles

Electrically Propelled Vehicles

Snow Ploughs/Gritters

Trams*

Electrically Assisted Pedal Cycles*

Pedestrian Controlled Vehicles*

Even though the above vehicles are exempt from paying VED, they are still required, by law, to be licensed and registered on the DVLA vehicle register (except those annotated *). For further advice you should contact your DVLA Local Office.

[Marmite!!]

Vehicles built before January 1973 are Tax exempt.

 

When changing the chassis, for example on a Land Rover, the vehicle would still be tax and MOT exempt, it does not need re-registering.

 

Chris

 

 

here's the full requirements for re-builds:

 

75. Where there is sufficient evidence of the original identity of a vehicle, it may retain its original mark if the application is supported by documentary evidence and is authorised by one of the historic vehicle enthusiast clubs.

 

76. However, there may be instances when a vehicle has been built as a faithful reproduction of a classic vehicle, using parts which have been sourced from more than one vehicle.

 

77. In order to qualify for registration as a Reconstructed Classic, the completed vehicle must comprise of all genuine period components, of the same specification, all over 25 years old. The vehicle is allocated a non-transferrable, (this does not prevent a registration mark being transferred onto the vehicle) age-related registration mark and the date of manufacture is based on the youngest vehicle component. The vehicle will qualify for exemption from vehicle excise duty if the components were manufactured prior to January 1973.

 

78. The historic vehicle enthusiast clubs play an important part in this process as they have to verify that all the components used in the build are over 25 years old and are of the correct specification.

 

79. The Reconstructed Classic category generally relies on the honesty of the applicant and the integrity of the enthusiast club in allowing these vehicles to be registered with an age-related mark rather than a Q registration mark. The vehicles are not physically inspected by DVLA.

 

80. The objective of the inspection for this category of vehicle is to allow vehicles which are built from parts and purport to be ‘classic’ to be registered, whilst providing consumer protection.

[andreadavide]

Sorry for hyjacking the thread:

if I read correctly (and understand, too) the extemption rules for the MOT, my 1925 model T will fall under extempion

30 Motor vehicles first used before 1st January 1960, used unladen and not

drawing a laden trailer, and trailers manufactured before 1st January 1960

and used unladen.

 

Am I right?

 

Andrea

[Marmite!!]

No, I think you have been looking at the wrong form, V112G is for goods vehicles only, for private vehicles you need V112 http://www.direct.gov.uk/assetRoot/04/00/95/92/04009592.pdf

[andreadavide]

What if I register the T s a goods vehicle?

Andrea

[TooTallMike]

Generally speaking, vehicles which were built pre-1960 and are over 3.5 tonnes MGW are exempt from MoT / plating and testing reg's. This is why there are so many '1959' REOs about. Exemption is on condition that the vehicle is used unladen, not for hire & reward and not towing a laden trailer. Old buses must be tested annually regardless of how they are to be used

 

Vehicles built or constructed before Jan 1st 1973 generally pay zero-rated road fund licence.

 

We had a SIIA Landy Ambulance: chassis built in 1972, bodied in 1973. DVLA tied themselves in knots before deciding that the dataplate for the chassis was identifiable in records as 1972 so that was the date they gave it.

 

There are many grey areas in the reg's because they weren't written with us madmen in mind. It is therefore up to you how you choose to interpret the law since DVLA and the police will only give you their 'opinion'. Just bear in mind that you should be prepared to defend whatever decisions you make in court...

 

- Mike

[TooTallMike]

I carry a laminated copy of the following in the cab of the WLF in anticipation of being pulled over one day (Translated as I go to France regularly). I also carry copies of the 'exemption from Class C driving licence' requirement and the lighting reg's relating to having white front indicators.

 

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Statutory Instrument 1988 No. 1478

The Goods Vehicles (Plating and Testing) Regulations 1988 - continued

 

SCHEDULE 2

Regulation 4

CLASSES OF VEHICLE TO WHICH THESE REGULATIONS DO NOT APPLY

 

30. Motor vehicles first used before 1st January 1960, used unladen and not drawing a laden trailer, and trailers manufactured before 1st January 1960 and used unladen. For the purposes of this paragraph any determination as to when a motor vehicle is first used shall be made as provided in regulation 3(3) of the Construction and Use Regulations.

 

trans. :

 

Extrait des regles quant au (contrôle) des véhicules motorisés (1988).

 

 

SCHEDULE 2

Règlement 4

 

CLASSIFICATIONS DE VEHICULES QUI NE SONT PAS SOUMIS A CES REGLEMENTS

 

30. Véhicules motorisés utilisés pour la première fois avant le 1er janvier 1960 et utilisés sans charge, et sans une remorque chargé, et des remorques fabriqués avant le 1er janvier 1960 et utilisés sans charge. Pour les besoins de ce paragraphe, la détermination sur la première usage sera fait en accord avec règlement 3(3) des règlements « Construction and Use » (fabrication et usage).

 

[80-inch]

On 4/4/2006 at 11:47 PM, Marmite!! said:

 

 

here's the full requirements for re-builds:

 

75. Where there is sufficient evidence of the original identity of a vehicle, it may retain its original mark if the application is supported by documentary evidence and is authorised by one of the historic vehicle enthusiast clubs.

 

76. However, there may be instances when a vehicle has been built as a faithful reproduction of a classic vehicle, using parts which have been sourced from more than one vehicle.

 

77. In order to qualify for registration as a Reconstructed Classic, the completed vehicle must comprise of all genuine period components, of the same specification, all over 25 years old. The vehicle is allocated a non-transferrable, (this does not prevent a registration mark being transferred onto the vehicle) age-related registration mark and the date of manufacture is based on the youngest vehicle component. The vehicle will qualify for exemption from vehicle excise duty if the components were manufactured prior to January 1973.

 

78. The historic vehicle enthusiast clubs play an important part in this process as they have to verify that all the components used in the build are over 25 years old and are of the correct specification.

 

79. The Reconstructed Classic category generally relies on the honesty of the applicant and the integrity of the enthusiast club in allowing these vehicles to be registered with an age-related mark rather than a Q registration mark. The vehicles are not physically inspected by DVLA.

 

80. The objective of the inspection for this category of vehicle is to allow vehicles which are built from parts and purport to be ‘classic’ to be registered, whilst providing consumer protection.

Hello Marmite

I know its a very old thread but I wondered if  you could remember which dvla/dft document this came from .

Thanks in advance .  Best regards Andy

[80-inch]

On 4/4/2006 at 11:47 PM, Marmite!! said:

 

 

here's the full requirements for re-builds:

 

75. Where there is sufficient evidence of the original identity of a vehicle, it may retain its original mark if the application is supported by documentary evidence and is authorised by one of the historic vehicle enthusiast clubs.

 

76. However, there may be instances when a vehicle has been built as a faithful reproduction of a classic vehicle, using parts which have been sourced from more than one vehicle.

 

77. In order to qualify for registration as a Reconstructed Classic, the completed vehicle must comprise of all genuine period components, of the same specification, all over 25 years old. The vehicle is allocated a non-transferrable, (this does not prevent a registration mark being transferred onto the vehicle) age-related registration mark and the date of manufacture is based on the youngest vehicle component. The vehicle will qualify for exemption from vehicle excise duty if the components were manufactured prior to January 1973.

 

78. The historic vehicle enthusiast clubs play an important part in this process as they have to verify that all the components used in the build are over 25 years old and are of the correct specification.

 

79. The Reconstructed Classic category generally relies on the honesty of the applicant and the integrity of the enthusiast club in allowing these vehicles to be registered with an age-related mark rather than a Q registration mark. The vehicles are not physically inspected by DVLA.

 

80. The objective of the inspection for this category of vehicle is to allow vehicles which are built from parts and purport to be ‘classic’ to be registered, whilst providing consumer protection.

Hello Marmite

Im sorry its an ancient thread, but do you remember which dvla/dft document the numbered points you quote above came from ? I would like to get hold of a full copy.

Thanks in advance Andy

On 4/4/2006 at 11:47 PM, Marmite!! said:

 

 

here's the full requirements for re-builds:

 

75. Where there is sufficient evidence of the original identity of a vehicle, it may retain its original mark if the application is supported by documentary evidence and is authorised by one of the historic vehicle enthusiast clubs.

 

76. However, there may be instances when a vehicle has been built as a faithful reproduction of a classic vehicle, using parts which have been sourced from more than one vehicle.

 

77. In order to qualify for registration as a Reconstructed Classic, the completed vehicle must comprise of all genuine period components, of the same specification, all over 25 years old. The vehicle is allocated a non-transferrable, (this does not prevent a registration mark being transferred onto the vehicle) age-related registration mark and the date of manufacture is based on the youngest vehicle component. The vehicle will qualify for exemption from vehicle excise duty if the components were manufactured prior to January 1973.

 

78. The historic vehicle enthusiast clubs play an important part in this process as they have to verify that all the components used in the build are over 25 years old and are of the correct specification.

 

79. The Reconstructed Classic category generally relies on the honesty of the applicant and the integrity of the enthusiast club in allowing these vehicles to be registered with an age-related mark rather than a Q registration mark. The vehicles are not physically inspected by DVLA.

 

80. The objective of the inspection for this category of vehicle is to allow vehicles which are built from parts and purport to be ‘classic’ to be registered, whilst providing consumer protection.

Hello Marmite

Im sorry its an ancient thread, but do you remember which dvla/dft document the numbered points you quote above came from ? I would like to get hold of a full copy.

Thanks in advance Andy