ford 369 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 after seeing the humber scout car in mmi this month and noticing it was marked for force 135 I giot to thinking how many other 135 marked vehicles are around and does anybody have any plans on taking them to the channel islands for the 65th annivesry in may 2010 Nigel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 (edited) Mine for obvious reasons. There are feelers being put put about to do a another show in Jersey for the 65th anniversary. mine will be there come hell or high water. Tony from Axholme signs has practice making the signs for force 135 :-D . The actual Force was only in exestence for about seven weeks. Garrison vehicles on St Aubin's beach. Edited October 10, 2008 by Tony B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john fox Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 sorry not up to speed on the Jersey scene - when you say garrison vehicles is that the name of a modern group of collectors? I notice the Morris C8s in the photo which is clearly modern so are they part of your group or just visitors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morris c8 fat Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 The Garison we are living history as it were but we had the honor of firingour 25 pdrs for the 21 gun salute for HRH on her arrival in Jersy to mark the liberation anniversary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Don't forget Mon V , WE are the ONLY team ever to fire an official 21 gun salute for HM the Queen. Great fun that show. Got to persuade Richard Le Brocq to do it again. TTM took the WLF it was the star of the show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford 369 Posted October 12, 2008 Author Share Posted October 12, 2008 Mine for obvious reasons. There are feelers being put put about to do a another show in Jersey for the 65th anniversary. mine will be there come hell or high water. Tony from Axholme signs has practice making the signs for force 135 :-D . The actual Force was only in exestence for about seven weeks. Garrison vehicles on St Aubin's beach. oh well if you are taking your dodge and I am taking one or two bikes that will be astart but surely there is some other 135 vehicles out there somewhere ,the humber from mmi that I mentioned for a start,I would be interested in contact details for axholme signs if anyone has them as I will need petrol tank insignia for my bike to go with the force 135 badges on my BD cheers ,Nigel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 will be a start but surely there is some other 135 vehicles out there somewhere ,the humber from mmi that I mentioned for a start, Nigel, I suspect the Humber Scout Car with Force 135 signs on, is one that belongs to a Guernsey resident. Not seen the photo in MMI yet, does it have a twin Bren mount on top? If so that is the one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford 369 Posted October 12, 2008 Author Share Posted October 12, 2008 yes it does have twin bren mount which I know is unusual so that could well be the answer as to whose it is ,so I guess it will be busy in Guernsey in 2010 and not travelling abroad to Jersey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 yes it does have twin bren mount which I know is unusual so that could well be the answer as to whose it is ,so I guess it will be busy in Guernsey in 2010 and not travelling abroad to Jersey I have done work on this Humber and also modified the PLM gun mount to take two Brens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Force 135 BD unit insignia are available from Simon, whose surname and web site have gone straight out of my head! I'll find it and post. The Force only took 1/3 of it's transport, the rest was liberated, recaptured, re-requisitioned, call it what you will from the Occupiying forces. (The PC Brigade considered it incorect to refer to 'Germans' in 2005) There were bikes taken over. Mark Lamerton's Liberated by Force 135 is the bible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Three Leopards. – This flash was issued on the 3 rd May 1945. It was worn on the left upper sleeve by all members of the force. The badge is derived from the Arms of the States of Jersey and Gurneresey. It consists of three gold Leopards on a red ground. Originally the arms appeared on those of King Edward 1st, Duke of Normandy. Cannon balls flash- The original force allocated to the Liberation was 115th Infantry brigade. Due to causalities the brigade was transferred to the 2nd Army February 1945. The replacement was 302 Infantry Brigade. As this was formed from disbanded coastal Royal Artillery regiments, the flash is formed by the red cannonballs of the Artillery on the blue background of Infantry. This patch was worn on the right sleeve, though some RA personnel wore it on both. It was not worn by the 11th (RMIJ) battalion Hampshire Regiment representatives. Vehicle markings. – These consisted of the Leopards, plus service arms. Additionally each vehicle carried a board with the number of the LST. Some vehicles had a red band running diagonally on theses boards. This signified the vehicle could move with out direct orders. Most vehicles went straight to the beach parks, and then could only move with orders, to save fuel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford 369 Posted October 13, 2008 Author Share Posted October 13, 2008 Force 135 BD unit insignia are available from Simon, whose surname and web site have gone straight out of my head! I'll find it and post. The Force only took 1/3 of it's transport, the rest was liberated, recaptured, re-requisitioned, call it what you will from the Occupiying forces. (The PC Brigade considered it incorect to refer to 'Germans' in 2005) There were bikes taken over. Mark Lamerton's Liberated by Force 135 is the bible. BD insignia is also available from Andrew Butler in Normandy so that is not a problem but vehicle insignia is more difficult although I suppose it could be scanned from a picture to make templates but it is quite a complex design and I am having trouble finding thecorrect size and position details for my bikes tank badge,I have checked Marks book and spoken to him about decent pictures but unfortunately all he can find show the wrong angles to be of much use cheers ,Nigel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 The answer to vehicle signs is easy. Ask Tony at Axholme signs, he has just done some for me, perfect. He made some stick on's to the ratio I asked for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford 369 Posted October 14, 2008 Author Share Posted October 14, 2008 The answer to vehicle signs is easy. Ask Tony at Axholme signs, he has just done some for me, perfect. He made some stick on's to the ratio I asked for. thats fine ,do you have an email address or phone number for axholme signs? meanwhile I will try google cheers, Nigel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 (edited) Tony's on the Forum!! :-D See under HMVF members discounts. This has just turned up as well, hopefully it will go to the archives, then I can get at it. http://www.thisisjersey.com/2008/10/13/heroes-rediscovered/ Edited October 14, 2008 by Tony B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fc101daz Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 We have an M20 in at work that is marked up as a force 135 bike.I can photograph and trace these markins for you if you like mate?A decal may not stick flat to as acute a compound curve of a bike tank.Let me know if this is of use. Regards Daren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford 369 Posted October 14, 2008 Author Share Posted October 14, 2008 thanks for that Darren ,that would be great,do you know if it is an original 135 bike or one that has been marked up later? cheers ,Nigel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 (edited) Can you post pictures? Have you any history on her? Tony can also do stencils, worth asking. Be careful you don't get Lion's, ie with a beard they should be smooth shaved Leapords. The scan I posted is of an original shoulder flash. Edited October 14, 2008 by Tony B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fc101daz Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Here are a couple of quick ones taken with my phone today.If the badge looks to be correct I will take better pics with a ruler for scale and a direct tracing.They look a little too freehand to me.It is apparently genuine force 135 from Guernsey.As far as it being "her" I'm not sure.How do you sex a motorbike?!!! It is also for sale!!! Let me know if you need more. Regards Daren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Badge definitley looks right. It is the Leopard's. Comsidering the speed the whole force was put together I don't suppose precise finish was important. Funnily enough I've never seen any photos of motorbikes in use, but would be worth contacting CIOS see if they have any in the archive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford 369 Posted October 17, 2008 Author Share Posted October 17, 2008 Thanks for the pics Darren they will be most helpful and it looks like a nice bike but I think it should be fitted with pannier frames as in the latewr war years all larger bikes were although I have to admit I personally prefer the look without . In the force 135 book if you look at the vehicle lists in the back it does list motorcycles and at the war tunnels archive they have several pictures of force 135 with motorcycles in them but unfortunately never a good enough picture to see the badge painted on the tank. The one question this picture raises for me is should the badge have a white background ,it may be right I have just never seen one like it before cheers ,Nigel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 I've hunted through the books I have, very little of vehicles unfortunatley. The best are the WLF's of Major Seargent. They had no visible white background. Try having a look at this site. http://www.thisisjersey.co.uk/hmd/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Very large OOPS! folks. :blush: Probably the best phot of a Force 135 vehicle at the time. Taken on 24th May 1945, Empire Day. There was a parade of vehicles down Victoria Avenue. There is also a photo with a Gantary vehicle, possibly Austin K6? The picture is CIOS, from Jersey evening Post Archive. I'll see if they still have a decent copy. Notice the White background. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford 369 Posted October 17, 2008 Author Share Posted October 17, 2008 yes I see it and stand corrected all that is needed now is to find out why some have and some have not got the white background,I also had a look through the photographic archive and although I could not find any pictures of bikes in picture sjpa/002341 the soldier on the left appears to be wearing motorcycle breeches Nigel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford 369 Posted October 17, 2008 Author Share Posted October 17, 2008 just been looking on birminghamtoberlin.com and would you believe another 135 m20 appears in thier pin up section,these things are like buses ,none for ages and then a load all at once Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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