croc Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Placing a log under the winch rope on the brow of the bank would help in keeping the rope up increasing the angle of pull and more importantly preventing the rope from cutting into the bank were it could possibly become damaged dragging over sharp stones and rocks. Agree with that, but to really show off you could run the winch under the Iltis and pull from the back, remembering to set up a strop at the front to stop it flipping over backwards. How about using the winch to clear the stuff out of the way in the bottom of the washout, or at least rearange it so it could be useful. A bit of pick and shovel might also help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abn deuce Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 It seemed to be a bit of a brute force approch rather than what one would do to do it with the least bit of damage to the vehicles and equipment involved . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 (edited) Sherman Beach Armoured Recovery Vehicle Something went wrong... A short film showing a Scammell Pioneer Tractor Heavy Heavy Breakdown 6x4 recovering a Churchill tank Something went wrong... Edited January 10, 2011 by Marmite!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosrec Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Placing a log under the winch rope on the brow of the bank would help in keeping the rope up increasing the angle of pull and more importantly preventing the rope from cutting into the bank were it could possibly become damaged dragging over sharp stones and rocks. Good sound advise Only things i would add is i dont know for sure what the vehicle doing the winching is but it looks fairlly big and has the winch capacity. So if possible i would have taken it a lot nearer the casualty. the winch is mounted high up and i guess a situation could have been achieved where the winch rope would have gone to the casualty with out hitting the bank. With my civillian head on i would have used the hook bridle i posted earlier i would have hooked on to the front suspension mounting pionts thus providing more lift. Lastly i would have asked the driver to stop trying to drive forward all this was doing was introducing shock loads to the rigging and the winch was coping with out him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recymech66 Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Good sound advise Only things i would add is i dont know for sure what the vehicle doing the winching is but it looks fairlly big and has the winch capacity. So if possible i would have taken it a lot nearer the casualty. the winch is mounted high up and i guess a situation could have been achieved where the winch rope would have gone to the casualty with out hitting the bank. With my civillian head on i would have used the hook bridle i posted earlier i would have hooked on to the front suspension mounting pionts thus providing more lift. Lastly i would have asked the driver to stop trying to drive forward all this was doing was introducing shock loads to the rigging and the winch was coping with out him Agree with that, far to much damage occurs when drivers think they are helping by revving the hell out of the stuck vehicle and spinning the wheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 (edited) Sherman Beach Armoured Recovery VehicleSomething went wrong... A short film showing a Scammell Pioneer Tractor Heavy Heavy Breakdown 6x4 recovering a Churchill tank Something went wrong... I thought the Army Kinematography Unit films were copyrighted? Could be wrong.... Edited January 10, 2011 by antarmike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recymech66 Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 I thought the Army Kinematography films were copyrighted? Could be wrong.... They are all over youtube and many other Military related websites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 I thought the Army Kinematography Unit films were copyrighted? Could be wrong.... You should contact the REME Museum & tell them then, it is they who posted the films on youtube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 (edited) You should contact the REME Museum & tell them then, it is they who posted the films on youtube. I bought the videos when they came out and I am sure they clain to be copyrighted material... In this sort of instance I thought a link to another site where the material was to be found was acceptable but actually posting the footage was a no no....Sorry if I have got it wrong.... Video I bought says Army Cinematography Services film in association with Vintage Commercial Vehicles Magazine. Copyright, all rights preserved, unauthorised publication..copying ... broadcasting of this program are strictly prohibited and in breach of copyright.... That is why I have never put clips onto the board..... Edited January 10, 2011 by antarmike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 (edited) I bought the videos when they came out and I am sure they clain to be copyrighted material... In this sort of instance I thought a link to another site where the material was to be found was acceptable but actually posting the footage was a no no....Sorry if I have got it wrong.... Youtube give copyright permission to use material on their website by allowing embedding, if the poster does not want the material the leave youtubes website embedding can be blocked. That's why youtube give embedding & sharing codes. Edited January 10, 2011 by Marmite!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Youtube give copyright permission to use material on their website by allowing embedding, if the poster does not want the material the leave youtubes website embedding can be blocked.That's why youtube give embedding & sharing codes. Yes that is the situation if youtube or the person uploading hold copyright, but I can't see how that relates to copyrighted material, where the original holder never gave permission for uploading, material that even youtube says should not be uploaded to their site..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 (edited) Yes that is the situation if youtube or the person uploading hold copyright, but I can't see how that relates to copyrighted material, where the original holder never gave permission for uploading, material that even youtube says should not be uploaded to their site..... That's youtubes lookout, they give permission to use the material, it's they that have to confirm copyright, the material doesn't leave their website, it is still directly linked & can be pulled by them at anytime. You can complain to Youtube if you think copyright has been broken http://www.youtube.com/copyright_complaint_form Back on topic now please.. Edited January 10, 2011 by Marmite!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antarmike Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 That's youtubes lookout, they give permission to use the material, it's they that have to confirm copyright, the material doesn't leave their website, it is still directly linked & can be pulled by them at anytime. Back on topic now please.. Okay, thanks, just checking a grey area in my mind.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike65 Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Good thread so far learning alot. Mind you even without it I had the feeling that this recovery was not going to work. Mike Something went wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
croc Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 That has got to be one of the worst recoverys I have seen, even on youtube :wow: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
croc Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 On second thoughts I am not even sure it was a recovery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Apologies if this has been posted already, shame Youtube has disabled the soundtrack & Embedding.. Prestatyn TA REME attempt to recover a stranded FV432 Something went wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recymech66 Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Good thread so far learning alot.Mind you even without it I had the feeling that this recovery was not going to work. Mike Something went wrong... Don't think he'll be working for Cosrec anytime soon:cool2::cool2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritineye Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Don't think he'll be working for Cosrec anytime soon:cool2::cool2: Aww come on, good ole boys was jus havin fun! :nut: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recymech66 Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Picture paints a thousand words etc. Top tip. Never ever straddle, stand next to, learn over or hold onto a winch rope/tow rope when a recovery task is being carried out. Something went wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 & one ready for Recovery.. (contains adult language) The infamous Sgt Richie Cousins Something went wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recymech66 Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Aww come on, good ole boys was jus havin fun! :nut: Haha, I think they were lucky the damage was confined to just the vehicle:D The bloke standing next to the tow rope and the 2 blokes hanging onto the back were a tad fortunate not to come away with a few bruises:shocked: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Something went wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recymech66 Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 (edited) & one ready for Recovery.. (contains adult language) The infamous Sgt Richie Cousins Yep seen that one many times, glad it weren't me :D Edited January 10, 2011 by Marmite!! quote trimed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recymech66 Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 (edited) Apologies if this has been posted already, shame Youtube has disabled the soundtrack & Embedding.. Prestatyn TA REME attempt to recover a stranded FV432 1 Locked track increases the resistance by 1/3 weight of the vehicle, indirect pull they were asking a lot of those anchor plates in that ground, as was shown when the excavator was dragged forward, easily overcome by splitting the track. Edited January 10, 2011 by Marmite!! quote tags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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