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What gearbox oil would you reccomend me? I've drained it all and I want to clean it up with parafine (sp?) and then put new oil in, but what to get?

 

It's for a Dodge WC 51 but I think type does not matter much in this subject.

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There is much misconception about Hypoid and Extreme Pressure Oils, the following may be of help;

 

"Hypoid" is not really a question of oil, so much as a technique of

gearcutting. Old (1920's) rear axles used straight bevel gears to form

the crownwheel and pinion. These had two disadvantage, the pinion

shaft meets the crownwheel on its central axis, and the straight cut

gears are noisy. By using a more complex "hypoid" gear tooth shape (if

you look at a pinion, the teeth appear twisted) these problems can be

addressed. The more gradual engagement of the teeth along their length

reduces noise. By careful design of the geometry the pinion can be

made to mesh _below_ the axis of the crownwheel. As the centre height

of the crownwheel is fixed by the wheel height, this allows the

propshaft to be lowered relative to the car body, giving a clearer

floorpan and lower centre of gravity for better cornering. Hypoid

bevels are now universal in this application.

 

Because of the sliding contact that hypoid gears make, their

hydrodynamic contact pressure is higher. To be suitable for use with

hypoid gears, a lubricant must be capable of resisting high pressures.

 

Oils with "EP" ratings (Extreme Pressure) such as EP90 are required.

Some brands describe themselves as "hypoid" instead, a term which is

synonymous with EP. GL-5 is a formal API standard for this type of oil

(comparable to MIL-L-2105B/C/D)

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But what oil is suitable :?:

 

Going by the manual it would be SAE 90 gear oil, do not confuse this with SAE 90EP. The later has extreme pressure additives which can eat into bronze and brass. Often refered to as a "straight oil", SAE 90 is best for jeep gearboxes as the use of an EP oil, hampers the braking action of the synchros, by the EP additives doing exactly what they say on the tin.

 

Richard

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Thanks I'll start looking for EP90.

 

Mad Man,

 

Sorry, you misunderstood my message. The gearbox should NOT have EP90 in it, because I believe there are bronze bushes in it and the additives in EP oil eats into them.

 

The correct oil is SAE 90, what we would call in the UK, a "straight oil"

There is a distinct difference between the two oils.

 

Richard

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we bought some straight sae 90 from a company that specialised in lubricants for historic vehicles, cant recall their name but you'll find one in a classic car magazine. boy just told me its called millers lubricants-clever blighter!

 

Mick,

 

Another good source of oils for historic vehicles is Morris Lubricants. They even make oil for steam engines.

 

Richard

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Well I was a bit confused before and Im not sure that Im any wiser now or perhaps Im just thick.

I have the Pat Ware book on Hotchkiss 201,s and in the part on maintenance the recommended oil for gearbox and transfer case is hypoid 90ep.

If the vehicle is a licence built MB does this mean that the book is wrong and that I should use sae 90 only. I have some semi synthetic sae 90 gear oil in my garage could I use that.

Any comments on this dilemma will be greatly appreceiated

 

Centurion

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I have the Pat Ware book on Hotchkiss 201,s and in the part on maintenance the recommended oil for gearbox and transfer case is hypoid 90ep.

If the vehicle is a licence built MB does this mean that the book is wrong and that I should use sae 90 only. I have some semi synthetic sae 90 gear oil in my garage could I use that.

 

 

Cent,

 

The M201 gearbox is no different to the WW2 ones, in that they have synchros. Any EP or Hypoid oils have additives that inhibit any friction and that is what a synchro relies on, friction. It is a brake ring to slow the gear down in order to mesh quickly. The original US manual calls for GO, which is plain 90 gear oil, save the EP90 for the axles and transfer box.

 

Just shows you cannot rely on what is written in books :)

 

Richard

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I agree with Kewelde and Karoshi on this, trouble is too many people don't know the differences and the properties of these oils. There has been a huge leap in technology since these vehicles were built that a modern oil of any type is far superior to the oils of years ago, Morris

Lubricants have an excellent web site which is well worth a visit and I would recommend their products after many years experience on a huge variety of vehicles and plant.

 

 

 

Cheers

Degsy

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I'm with Kewelde, on this, but hell I just had a pasting on the Gee for daring to say the same.

 

I just took a look at G503, that guy is a bit of a ****, the original spec was GO which is straight 90. You will find Graham at Jeeparts recommends Straight 90 as well.

 

As for a flying M series truck, what has that got to do with it? Does he want a medal, or should it be wings??

 

Richard

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