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Ruddington Sales Catalogues mid to late 1961


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I have quite a few Ruddington catalogues, sometimes they were annotated by a particular dealer to indicate the price paid & occasionally indications of inter-dealer transactions. If you have the ERM I should be able to find the date of sale & lot number. Bear in mind that the date of sale could be up to 6 months after it was struck off census.

I have a couple of auctioneer's catalogue which contain additional pages for recording the price paid, I'm not sure if the seller was recorded in them.

About 8 years ago I spoke to one of the auctioneers who seemed to indicate that there wasn't much in the way of records remaining, with him anyway.

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17 minutes ago, AmphibAndy said:

Thank you Lex.   I have a copy of that key card and I think it perhaps says Sudbury in a different hand.   There is also MAR/1/5(S?)/21 followed by 9 6 61.  All no doubt makes perfect sense if you know what it means.  I suspect the 9/6/61 is a date.   Andrew 

Hi Andrew,

The reference starting MAR/ probably refers to the RAOC Central Vehicle Depot at Marchington, Staffs.

regards, Richard

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Yes, that's probably what it says, it's incredible that the cards survive at all as Colonel Penny was ordered to destroy them, luckily I got them.

All persons that actually worked with these cards have passed away now, but I did try in the past when the good Colonel was still under us to ask him about abreviations and meanings, but he always said, "I'm retired now, and don't want to think about my work anymore" so never got much out of him, the lunches in the Officers mess at the Ayrshire barracks in Mönchengladbach were always good though!

Lex

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22 minutes ago, Richard Farrant said:

Hi Andrew,

The reference starting MAR/ probably refers to the RAOC Central Vehicle Depot at Marchington, Staffs.

regards, Richard

Thanks Richard, I have added it to the slowly growing file of abreviations.

Just checked the Ruddinton catalogs, but I have nothing before 1967.

Lex

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Has the bike been re-registered, or does it still have an early 1960s serial ? If so, then where ? It may be possible to narrow things down to  an informed guess, although it may involve looking through back issues of the weekly motorcycle magazines to see which dealers in various towns were advertising lots of WD M20s at the time.

Lots of 1960s M20 demobs have Nottingham registration as Dawson's of Shakespeare Street, Nottingham had become one of the main ex-ministry motorcycle dealers.

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I think Dawson's has now closed.  I contacted them many years ago regardng buying M20 parts, knowing that they had stocked them, only to be told that just the previous week they had sold their entire stock.  They were not at liberty to tell me who had bought them.  Maybe it was Russell's?

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Long gone, I believe and few agents would keep second-hand vehicle records for sixty years.

12 machines is a fair-sized block and by the 1960s, ex-WD M20s were no longer the mainstream transport of the masses that they had been ten years earlier, at which time any BSA dealer would have been happy to have them in the absence of new stock.

Dawson's come up so often in the odd case where documentation has survived. They were clearly the main buyer of usable stock appearing at Ruddington.

Unfortunately, in the early days of DVLA computerisation, the authorities retained and destroyed the old county council logbooks so a lot of history was lost. Nottinghamshire records have not survived either. They were destroyed as instructed. At one time, DVLA were prepared to supply copies made from their microfiche scans of the documentation provided at computerisation but they no longer do this as they consider it forbidden under modern data protection law...The current situation wouldn't be the time to ask for a favour either. I obtained some back in the eighties and nineties, but it was on thermal paper so I've lost it now anyway !

What is it that you're actually hoping to find ? One thing that you could do is search the DVLA records on-line to see if there are other BSAs (or motorcycles) surviving with numbers close to yours. You might find something like this one. Is yours an 'MTO' number ?

https://www.andybuysbikes.com/archivehtml/07597mch.html#

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A lot of bikes were bought and shipped to the US too, see these adds, also Pride & Clark a mentioned in a Motorcycle Mechanics article. Also a picture of Mortlocks, where were they? OK, they were in Perth, Australia! building is still there)

Lex

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Yes, same for me! but also riding the bikes, and collecting the manuals and tools for them, make it quite interesting.

Did you read about my newest find? 

And in the meantime I am in contact with the daughter of a War Photographer, who's bike (or front number plate)  I own, pictured in France.

Lex

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