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Just to start the ball rolling on identification I offer the following:

1.  The uniform of the soldiers in your second pic (from RP) is from the Royal West Kent Yeomanry; the identifying features being the bandoliers and the spurs.  Thanks to my mate, grandarog for the identification.

2. The bus in the first pic I think is a Commer. I think the clues are the badge on the  scuttle/dash and the chassis cross member behind the starting handle.   Commer had bodies made by Scammell and Nephew.  The transfer for the S&N body can just be seen, offside behind the driver on the seat rail (above rocker panel).

3. The Scammell and Nephew transfer is distinctive. I include a shot of another Commer with an S&N bodymakers transfer for comparison, below the legal lettering, and thus I wonder if the body that was on your Chase is an S&N body.

4. Per the second photo, of the Chase, taken in Kennington, Ashford.  I am not 100% certain whether Ashford buses got absorbed by the East Kent Road Car company (EKRCC) or Maidstone and District (M&D).  Ashford is on the boundary.   The EKRCC formation was on 1st Sep 1916.  The fleet lists at that time, show every bus that it absorbed.  The Chase is not one of them.   

Thus either this was pre-1916; or did not make the absorption (out of service) or is from a company that did not get absorbed (local authority or other) or is part of the M&D area fleet.    I cannot put my hands on the M&D fleet list but it does not get mentioned in Baldock's book on the M&D.   It is possible that the bus could have been operated by BET or its subsidiary BAT.  That needs further thought.

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4 minutes ago, radiomike7 said:

At the time the company was actually 'G. Scammell and Nephew'  but I am struggling to read the transfer even by enlarging it. They were based in Spitalfields, London.

Quite right, RM7.  I have just looked at my high res copy and it is only "Scammell and Nephew, and the remainder is out of focus, but the last word looks like "London".

As Steve Wright would say, "no "G"" (if you are a Radio 2 listener that is!)

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1 hour ago, Scrunt & Farthing said:

4. Per the second photo, of the Chase, taken in Kennington, Ashford.  I am not 100% certain whether Ashford buses got absorbed by the East Kent Road Car company (EKRCC) or Maidstone and District (M&D).  Ashford is on the boundary.   The EKRCC formation was on 1st Sep 1916.  The fleet lists at that time, show every bus that it absorbed.  The Chase is not one of them.   

 

Hi Dave,

Looking at a 60 year old Ian Allan book on bus fleets in the South East, there is potted history of East Kent Road Car and Maidstone and District, neither appear to have operated in or to Ashford at that time so possibly a small operator in Ashford who got absorbed into East Kent or M&D later on.

regards, Richard

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1 hour ago, Richard Farrant said:

Hi Dave,

Looking at a 60 year old Ian Allan book on bus fleets in the South East, there is potted history of East Kent Road Car and Maidstone and District, neither appear to have operated in or to Ashford at that time so possibly a small operator in Ashford who got absorbed into East Kent or M&D later on.

regards, Richard

That would make sense, Richard.  As the town is not listed explicitly in the EKRCC list of five companies it absorbed and does not really get a mention by Baldock.  I wondered if it remained independent or operated by the local council.  

A look in Kelly's Directory for 1913 under Omnibus Props. lists one Henry Dew.  Kennington, which is our target LZ.

Graces guide gives us a location and address.  I think this is the location of the garage.  Do you agree, Richard?

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And so, on the balance of probabilities I would say Duncan's bus was owned by Henry Dew. Operated from the forerunner of the garage shown above.  The bus stop shown in my pic is just a matter of 200 feet from this garage.  I would guess its a staged photo arranged by Henry Dew, to promote his business at the nearest stop to his garage.

Dave

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3 hours ago, Scrunt & Farthing said:

Just to start the ball rolling on identification I offer the following:

1.  The uniform of the soldiers in your second pic (from RP) is from the Royal West Kent Yeomanry; the identifying features being the bandoliers and the spurs.  Thanks to my mate, grandarog for the identification...

 

Dave - unfortunately your friends identification as to regiment is incorrect. They are Royal Artillery (probably RFA, but not impossibly RGA, RHA, etc). Their cap badges are very distinctive, as is their wearing white lanyards on the left shoulder. The 1903 Pattern bandoliers and spurs are common to many regiments, and are nothing specifically tied to the RWKY:

 

Royal Artillery | National Army Museum

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Please, please tell me that the logbook has survived? I always find id rather sad when you have to go down the route of age related plate but....there is a chance;

KENT
Kent History & Library Centre, James Whatman Way, Maidstone, ME14 1LQ (03000 41 31 31) Email: archives@kent.gov.uk Open Monday to Saturday.
Registers 1904-1974 (Note KN 4488-92 are omitted from the KN register). GIM register D-G 1-1199; HMC registers 1905-20; TP registers (KT and KE) 1923-34; Registers of imported vehicles.

 

Many of the old archive records are in a word CRAP! One of my bikes which luckily was known to the DVLA still retained the original 20's logbook but Dad bought it because we were looking for a vintage bike with a local number. When I approached the records office (it is shown that they have these registers) we were told that they had been lost in a fire so instead I was send a copy from the cancelation book....our bike is in it; taken off the road in 1935. All it shows is reg number, type of vehicle and who had it. Later records from the three letter sequence that survive include the date but zilch about what the vehicle is!

 

Anyone wishing to try and trace a registration mark head here; Kithead Trust | Educational charity set up to collect and preserve material from the transport industries who have a complete list of what survives and where.

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