Minimum requirement for DVLA age registration for WW2 Jeep.

[Powdermonkey52]

Hi all,

I'm beginning to research for a potential WW2 Jeep restoration project. As I'm interested in the restoration/build/rebuild process I'm not looking to buy a full Jeep that's running or almost running. Rather I would really like to start from almost the floor up, collect parts and restore/build over a period of time. Having been advised already that I could be setting myself up for a 'Q' plate by collecting parts and building from scratch I was wondering if anyone has any advise as to what the minimum level of 'completeness' would be to allow me to have the vehicle age registered by the DVLA? 

I have been advised elsewhere that I would need data plates, can any Jeep specialists confirm whether data plates are found on the chassis, as as far as I can tell from the research I've done so far they seem to be on the tub.

Thanks in advance!

Nick

[ruxy]

Many of the "WW2" Jeeps  LoL  that are on 'straight-plates'  , are in fact  MALT Hotchpotch , so the fake up was done in a France.  Often these are missing a proper nomenclature plate on the glove locker lid or wherever & they have a  plate that looks anodised but is nylon printed off Ebay for abt.  £5

These often have so many numbers branded on the chassis - you would be spoilt for choice , even in 2021 it should be possible to cobble up spurious document(s).

[jenkinov]

The chassis on any vehicle in the UK is the principle I'D .or frame on a bike .the jeep .the challenge is that if the vehicle has a doubtful age or identity the DVLA will issue a Q plate ..if you are building a jeep from parts it potentially could be judged as doubtful age .identity or both and allocated a q p!ate 

I attended a show where I saw a rebuild where the owner was proudly listing all the new parts .New tub.New chassis.the list seemed endless ...he was very proud of his rebuilt jeep .. Which as far as I could see with the exception of the engine and axles seemed brand new ..

jenkinov

 

 

[ruxy]

10 hours ago, jenkinov said:

The chassis on any vehicle in the UK is the principle I'D .or frame on a bike .the jeep .the challenge is that if the vehicle has a doubtful age or identity the DVLA will issue a Q plate ..if you are building a jeep from parts it potentially could be judged as doubtful age .identity or both and allocated a q p!ate 

I attended a show where I saw a rebuild where the owner was proudly listing all the new parts .New tub.New chassis.the list seemed endless ...he was very proud of his rebuilt jeep .. Which as far as I could see with the exception of the engine and axles seemed brand new ..

jenkinov

 

 

Yes , very very possible , following all the rules of recent date (the problem being in the 60's , 70'  &  80's  - you just did your own thing & that can make it much more difficult to scrutineer).

Read on for  "Rebuild Vehicles"  ,  counting up the points game according to DVLA to obtain a more desirable  VRM  plate..

https://www.lrsoc.com/forum/forum_files/legend/Legend 188 DVLA.pdf

[jenkinov]

Most ww2 jeeps that ended service life in Europe . We're rebuilt at least one . Many were allocated by the US army to liberated nations armies france. Holland. Greece . Italy . Some were stripped and rebuilt by the reme. Others in their lives by the holding army . 

When stripped . The engines. Axles . And tubs were sent for refurbishment and when rebuilt there was no returning parts to the original vehicle. They literally grabbed the first axle and remitted it ..as such most jeeps i saw 40 years ago were a total composite of parts ..willy s .Ford and different years .

It's been fashionable to return vehicles to stock ..so a Ford for is 100% Ford but my experience is that the chassis has and remains the key vehicle identifier for registration in the UK .

Jenkinov 

 

 

 

[67burwood]

8 hours ago, jenkinov said:

that the chassis has and remains the key vehicle identifier for registration in the UK .

I completely agree with the above statement, I have registered US import Jeeps which have had the data plates missing but as long as the chassis number is clearly stamped on the chassis it’s not been a problem. 
 

If your looking to buy a rolling chassis and collect the rest of the parts bit by bit then go for a GPW as the chassis number is stamped unlike the mb which has an alloy plate and is often rotted or missing. 

[Powdermonkey52]

Thanks for the replies and help everyone. 

Sounds like I should be OK then with my plan to find a rolling (or almost rolling) GPW chassis with visible number and paperwork 👍

 

[ruxy]

39 minutes ago, Powdermonkey52 said:

Thanks for the replies and help everyone. 

Sounds like I should be OK then with my plan to find a rolling (or almost rolling) GPW chassis with visible number and paperwork 👍

 

With Ref. to your post of  27th. Jan.    If you wish to avoid a  "Q"  plate , then follow the DVLA guidance,  Reconstructed classic vehicle -  chassis axles would be a good start (go for a branded chassis No. also investment in 3rd party  report of NDT  searching for "disturbancies"  in area of number) would be a sound investment.Then engine / gearbox.   IIRC bodywork does not count - then go for best available 'replacement' tub (to avoid rot) and bodywork/fittings.      'Pay-as-you-Go'   this century will not be a cheap option.

[Powdermonkey52]

1 minute ago, ruxy said:

With Ref. to your post of  27th. Jan.    If you wish to avoid a  "Q"  plate , then follow the DVLA guidance,  Reconstructed classic vehicle -  chassis axles would be a good start (go for a branded chassis No. also investment in 3rd party  report of NDT  searching for "disturbancies"  in area of number) would be a sound investment.Then engine / gearbox.   IIRC bodywork does not count - then go for best available 'replacement' tub (to avoid rot) and bodywork/fittings.      'Pay-as-you-Go'   this century will not be a cheap option.

Hi Ruxy, 

Yeh that is pretty much my plan. Sorry I may not have worded my intial post very well. 

What do you mean by NDT?

[ruxy]

NDT     ,    =   Non-destructive testing  ,    just removing the paint - you may visual a previous comedian has filled with spelter dressed and re-stamped.   I would use both magnetic particle test and dye-penetrant , that should pull up any filling with weld . disturbances should be seen - but it is a low £ testing.

[Powdermonkey52]

Ah right ok, thanks for the heads up!