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7 minutes ago, robin craig said:

The swing from high to low during that day make me physically sick as my investment took a hit, massively.

I made it through and eventually clawed my way back up. Its hard and takes a lot of time. You are lucky.

Yeah I was lucky the small town looked after me.  Would have been devastated to of just being a statistic.  The emergency room medic was an ex para (UK).  He kept me going with his banter.

Putting a FC 101 on its roof would effeminately be a scare as their rollbars are not significant.  I didnt hear about that as I havent been in here so much since moving back to Australia.

I have to admit I'm a bit over Land Rovers now, or more precisely desert trekking as I seriously thought I was a goner

 

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unfortunately not all dreams have happy endings.  You can see the ROPS was ripping out by the end, that was after 3 and a half rolls

well picked up the Perentie and trailer around 6 weeks ago.. Had to drive it 4600km mostly desert.  Amazing that the trailer was from my old unit that I left in 1993  

Well shed is down and at my place. I had hoped to get original drawings but too much red tape so I now have to redraw the structure and submit to the local council. dreading the price of con

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7 hours ago, fesm_ndt said:

No I believe they are only required on civilian registered trailers in case the hitch disconnects.  Typically 2 chains but I have seen with one

Talking about hitches I remember a 101 Land Rover towing a Noddy went around a tight bend and it fell over.  The lesson was the hitch on the vehicle should be locked and the hitch on the trailer unlocked

Thankfully you have survived and are on the road to recovery, though the psychological scars may take the longest to heal.

I am sure the chains are a military requirement, the Landy and trailer are fitted for them. I think I am right in that the original Dixon Bate hitch on the Perentie is non lockable, rotation not jaws,  as  opposed the the UK version with a rotation lock. I replaced the same civilian (fixed) hitch that you had fitted with a DB hitch but only have a UK version with the rotation lock.

I am not sure about the trailer ring if it can rotate fully but you had a fixed hitch that replaced a rotating one, but then you say that the chains had wrapped around as it rotated during the accident.

 

Scary stuff !

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Something like this - waste of time trying to consider forces/vectors ,  empirical evidence is known .  Under certain circumstances a regular Sankey type trailer can flip a Land Rover regardless of its C of G and side-slope capability ,  the rule of pintle hook / draft ring  - is that something must be free to rotate.

Psychological scars ,  yes - for years / always you will probably be asking why me.    I have also done  3.1/2 rolls ,  some of it I remember ,  I was 21 yrs in 1971 .   Appropriately at a place called Black Hill between Stratford-on-Avon & Warwick ,  passenger in a VW Beetle - first time ever I had worn a seat belt.  Hit at my side by a Mk. 1 Cortina , my seat was on top of the hand-brake & only 4" wide , pushed sideways across the forecourt pumps and then we started to roll , ended up across a side road on the grass verge.     Only been back the once abt.  1990 , I know where we were hit and where we ended up on sideways - couldn't work it all out.

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On 4/14/2021 at 5:11 PM, Mk3iain said:

Thankfully you have survived and are on the road to recovery, though the psychological scars may take the longest to heal.

I am sure the chains are a military requirement, the Landy and trailer are fitted for them. I think I am right in that the original Dixon Bate hitch on the Perentie is non lockable, rotation not jaws,  as  opposed the the UK version with a rotation lock. I replaced the same civilian (fixed) hitch that you had fitted with a DB hitch but only have a UK version with the rotation lock.

I am not sure about the trailer ring if it can rotate fully but you had a fixed hitch that replaced a rotating one, but then you say that the chains had wrapped around as it rotated during the accident.

 

Scary stuff !

Both the hitch on the trailer and Perentie can rotate.  I locked the NATO one on the vehicle as was taught not to allow both to be free.

Another off aspect is the trailer hitch has been known to disconnect as has a big nut on it

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21 hours ago, ruxy said:

Something like this - waste of time trying to consider forces/vectors ,  empirical evidence is known .  Under certain circumstances a regular Sankey type trailer can flip a Land Rover regardless of its C of G and side-slope capability ,  the rule of pintle hook / draft ring  - is that something must be free to rotate.

Psychological scars ,  yes - for years / always you will probably be asking why me.    I have also done  3.1/2 rolls ,  some of it I remember ,  I was 21 yrs in 1971 .   Appropriately at a place called Black Hill between Stratford-on-Avon & Warwick ,  passenger in a VW Beetle - first time ever I had worn a seat belt.  Hit at my side by a Mk. 1 Cortina , my seat was on top of the hand-brake & only 4" wide , pushed sideways across the forecourt pumps and then we started to roll , ended up across a side road on the grass verge.     Only been back the once abt.  1990 , I know where we were hit and where we ended up on sideways - couldn't work it all out.

I am amazed I have not had nightmares as of yet.... But I expect some

I suppose my biggest psychological scar at the moment is an innate fear to go overlanding again...... Which is the whole purpose behind me fixing ex mil vehicles

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23 minutes ago, fesm_ndt said:

Both the hitch on the trailer and Perentie can rotate.  I locked the NATO one on the vehicle as was taught not to allow both to be free.

Another off aspect is the trailer hitch has been known to disconnect as has a big nut on it

Hi Mike

Looking at the pictures of the aftermath it looks like a fixed aftermarket hitch is fitted and you can see distortion where it has tried to twist.

The NATO hitch on the Australian vehicles, certainly Perenties,  does not have a locking facility by design.

Take each day as it goes and give yourself some time.

Best wishes

Iain

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56 minutes ago, fesm_ndt said:

I am amazed I have not had nightmares as of yet.... But I expect some

I suppose my biggest psychological scar at the moment is an innate fear to go overlanding again...... Which is the whole purpose behind me fixing ex mil vehicles

Yes, the distances are just mind-boggling , like me setting off and going to Moscow & I would never do that or in Oz. single-handed.   It will be little different to 50 years ago , but it seems now with road surface "improvements".   A shipping agent at Freemantle used to make an old Ford Prefect available to ship's crew.  Once we went inland for approx. 200 miles just to frighten ourselves into a 180.

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5 hours ago, fesm_ndt said:

No it was written off.... Was really nice with the big Izuzu engine

Seems you did not get  "first option"  of the write off  ?     Would make a good spares source if you have another go with  a Perentie rig.  I suppose transport to Perth would be $ Au costly ?

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Just a thought, and I speak with no authority, but please tell us that you are being medically monitored now you are home Mike. I read that you live alone so if you experience headaches or tingly numbness in toes, don’t just have a beer and some pills like we tend to, get seen to properly.

My experiences are from vehicle spills on the Tanezrouft and Hoggar routes which caused serious problems  for people two and three weeks afterwards.

Take care.

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On 4/19/2021 at 2:08 AM, ruxy said:

Seems you did not get  "first option"  of the write off  ?     Would make a good spares source if you have another go with  a Perentie rig.  I suppose transport to Perth would be $ Au costly ?

Yep transport from there would be unthinkable

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On 4/19/2021 at 6:14 PM, TonyB said:

Just a thought, and I speak with no authority, but please tell us that you are being medically monitored now you are home Mike. I read that you live alone so if you experience headaches or tingly numbness in toes, don’t just have a beer and some pills like we tend to, get seen to properly.

My experiences are from vehicle spills on the Tanezrouft and Hoggar routes which caused serious problems  for people two and three weeks afterwards.

Take care.

Mate thanks for the kind words..... It has been a devastating year thus far for various reasons.

My nephew whom I was working with went down the meth addiction route, wasting 80k and losing everything else car career house and family.

I bought the Perentie so I could go bush and get away.  I suppose I should buck up as I have my 79 series, it's just not camo

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