Louie Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Hello everyone I have this crossley lorry, 4x4 type. It's in pretty good condition but still needs a little bit of work. If anyone has any parts or manuals or information that could help me out in a minor restoration it would be greatly appreciated! I can't find much information about these crossleys. Information is so vague I don't even know what size engine it has! Please see photo Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 All I can find on the engine for the Q type is that it is 96 horsepower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiffy Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 The basic engine design remained unchanged from the I G L 3 to the end of production .Early engines have aluminium crankcases this was changed to cast iron due to a shortage of aluminium some time after 1940 . Early engine have a up draft carburettor and a simms magneto .The 90 hp engine has a down draft carburettor modified cylinder heads and a distributor driven via a right angle drive . The bracket remains the same on each engine and the mag or distributor are interchangeable .The sump is modified on the 4x4 to allow clearance for the front axle . Cylinder blocks are interchangeable across all models. . Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiomike7 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 http://www.crossley-motors.org.uk/history/military/FWD/fwd.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 Thanks for your help so far guys. My crossley was made in 1938, so it must be an aluminium engine. I don't think the magneto is a Simms. I'm pretty sure it's an AC. It's got a solex carburettor. According to the crossley website my wagon should have a dry sump engine, but I don't think mine has. That's the trouble I've been having-my vehicle doesn't EXACTLY match any other crossleys I've found! Also nice to see a crossley engine Out on the work bench! Louie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiffy Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 The FWD model was not built until 1940 and all models were fitted with a dry sump engine . Do you have a positive date of manufacture for yours ? and what is the engine no . The no is stamped into the crankcase above the front pulley on all the engines I have seen . The no of Crossleys that survive are few and far between so a rare beast and it looks in good order. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie Posted October 23, 2019 Author Share Posted October 23, 2019 Hi Mike Thanks for your help! It's in the log book as 1938. I will see if I can have a look for a code on the engine, the radiator might be in the way a bit. And I know it's been in a barn for a long time, that's helped keep it in good condition! There is not an oil tank that I'm aware of on the vehicle, which is why I thought it was a normal wet sump engine. Maybe it is not the crossley fwd model after all? It all seems a bit mixed up! Regards Louie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiffy Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 There is no separate oil tank .the sump is in 2 sections with a scavenger pump transferring the oil to the second section from where it is pumped via the auto clean filter to the bearings . The carbon deposits removed by the auto clean fall into a separate section which is drained every 2000 miles via a plug at the base of the filter housing The auto clean filter is automatically cleaned every time the clutch pedal is depressed Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiffy Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Engine Lubrication chart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiomike7 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Just realized the Crossley site is wrong about it being a monobloc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie Posted October 23, 2019 Author Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) I've had a look on the engine, but can't see any codes. Would probably be easier if the radiator was removed. But I only recently put it back on! I've got all the brass plates with info and codes on, it says the engine number on one of these but there's a chance it couldve been re-engined since then! Regards Edited October 23, 2019 by Louie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAFMT Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) Give the info on the brass plate, or a picture of it. Chassis number would be good as we can get potentially get a contract number from it. Crossley 4x4 manuals aren't impossible to come by, we have a few at work. Edited October 24, 2019 by RAFMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie Posted October 24, 2019 Author Share Posted October 24, 2019 Thanks for your reply. There's a contract number on this plate. Louie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Asquith Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 I have corrected the engine block entry on the Crossley website from monobloc to pair cast. I am puzzled by the 1938 date on Louie's log book as I understood that deliveries did not start until August 1939 but there are lots of holes in our knowledge of Crossley military production. Malcolm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie Posted December 29, 2019 Author Share Posted December 29, 2019 Hi Malcolm Could it be possible that my vehicle was made in 1938, and left unused, or maybe used for Something other than military, and then used for war service when the war started? I can't think of any other reason behind the march 1938 date. Louie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 26 minutes ago, Louie said: Hi Malcolm Could it be possible that my vehicle was made in 1938, and left unused, or maybe used for Something other than military, and then used for war service when the war started? I can't think of any other reason behind the march 1938 date. Louie Hi, Looking at the data plate and the Contract Number, I doubt the lorry was made before 1940. Working on the Ministry of Supply contract numbers, my feeling is the contract dates from approx 1941. As this would be an RAF vehicle it is not listed in the Chilwell contract list, but still using the same sequence of numbers. I could be wrong, but will wait to see what the RAF Museum will come up with. regards, Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 The ministry of supply was created in 1939 so it is unlikely that these plates would predate that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Johns Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, Louie said: Hi Malcolm Could it be possible that my vehicle was made in 1938, and left unused, or maybe used for Something other than military, and then used for war service when the war started? I can't think of any other reason behind the march 1938 date. Louie Simple answer, the Crossley is Not 1938, a dvla check shows the Crossley was first registered in 1976, back then the Historic exempt from mot category was Pre 1939, so every old imported/re registered vehicle was Declared as such, dvla never asked for any year verification proof just accepted what was declared on the application, ...there are lots of ww2 post '39 vehicles about with spurious year of manufacture on the V5 reg. document Edited December 30, 2019 by Nick Johns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAFMT Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 12 hours ago, Richard Farrant said: Working on the Ministry of Supply contract numbers, my feeling is the contract dates from approx 1941. As this would be an RAF vehicle it is not listed in the Chilwell contract list, but still using the same sequence of numbers. I could be wrong, but will wait to see what the RAF Museum will come up with. Agree on the contract date simply because the MoS used the one number sequence. This is a Type 2, Mk 2. from about mid-way through the contract (chassis numbers for this contract run from 51201 to 55467) which consisted of both Mks 1 and 2. The provisional edition of the maintenance manual (poorly copied typed notes, the preceded the printed first edition) are dated August 1940. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiffy Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 This dates from 1944 .contract no 294 /S5134/con23A and 294/23/S2178/con23A for the 3ton 4x4 load carring chassis and contract 294/23/S3035 /con 23A for the4x4 tractor chassis. My IGL 3 chassis is 1937 and Engine no 31777 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAFMT Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 30 minutes ago, smiffy said: This dates from 1944 .contract no 294 /S5134/con23A and 294/23/S2178/con23A for the 3ton 4x4 load carring chassis and contract 294/23/S3035 /con 23A for the4x4 tractor chassis. It should be contract V5134 (chassis numbers 56576-57398) and S2178 (chassis numbers 57401-58000) which are for the Load Carrier Type 3. Contract S3035 cover Tractor Type 1, chassis numbers 71001-72750 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie Posted December 30, 2019 Author Share Posted December 30, 2019 Hi all This kind of makes sense now. Also if anyone knows of any spare manuals or documentation around that is for sale please let me know it would help me out a lot. Regards 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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