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As part of the Fort Paull auction in June (museum closing) there should be two sumbs up for sale. They were mine I gave them to the museum in exchange for a knackered exhibit I was after. One was in very good nick, I had addressed all the rust and it ran sweetly with crisp brakes. The other was not very good, but I sprayed up so looked presentable.. I put the v8 from the knackered one on a stand as an exhibit for them.. 

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I have never found a serial number to year database. There was a breakdown of production by year in an issue of "Charge Utile" magazine - It was a 3 part article starting in No. 110 - they do turn up sometimes on E-Bay and I think the production breakdown was in the 2nd part. If I find my copy I will post the page here.

Unfortunately the production (or at least French Army orders which is what it actually listed) only add up to just over 10,000 and the serials of the three I owned at various times were all in the 14,000-17,000 range. So whether they started from a number larger than 1 or used the same series for other vehicles besides the SUMB I dont know. If they did start above 1 it would be useful to know where they started.

From memory of the article the vast majority were built in 1964 through 1966 with only hundreds before 1963 - presumably trials) and a few hundred a year after 1967 through to around 1970. 

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1 hour ago, g0ozs said:

I have never found a serial number to year database. There was a breakdown of production by year in an issue of "Charge Utile" magazine - It was a 3 part article starting in No. 110 - they do turn up sometimes on E-Bay and I think the production breakdown was in the 2nd part. If I find my copy I will post the page here.

Unfortunately the production (or at least French Army orders which is what it actually listed) only add up to just over 10,000 and the serials of the three I owned at various times were all in the 14,000-17,000 range. So whether they started from a number larger than 1 or used the same series for other vehicles besides the SUMB I dont know. If they did start above 1 it would be useful to know where they started.

From memory of the article the vast majority were built in 1964 through 1966 with only hundreds before 1963 - presumably trials) and a few hundred a year after 1967 through to around 1970. 

Hi Ian, thanks for yr reply.

Did you get yrs UK registered??

Any tips on dating certificate and age relating?

My number us 07774416640 and I'm on WhatsApp or email ndavicus@aol.com 

A picture from those magazines would be very much appreciated.

Rob.

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Rob my 3 were all registered on arrival in the UK by the importing dealer, years before I had them. So I haven't had to attempt the process from first principles - and they were registered as 1959 manufacture,  PLG, 4 wheel pickup, 4500cc, 3475KG GVW, 2 seats.  I think things have changed since they were imported circa 1995-2005 (I bought my first in 2009 and it had been in the UK for around ten years by then) so more expert advice is called for. It may actually be better to treat it as a private HGV so as not to have to stay under 3500KG which is possible but tight.  

I did take some precautions although they were 1959 dated on the V5 so could in theory claim MOT exemption when I had them  but because most were made later I always got a Class 7 MOT to be safe - they are (just) under 3500KG unladen in practice so at least back then  could be used and MoTd  as a pre-1960 vehicle which simplified things.  

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