johann morris Posted April 12, 2019 Author Share Posted April 12, 2019 Thanks for the offer Eddy, I will keep it in mind. I have to make a decision on which way to approach the final drives, as this will dictate the drive chain between the gearbox and steering box. What ever I decide I anticipate having to have a reduction box between the two so I am not sure whether any of the original 430 series components will be of use. However, I will need the drive shafts and couplers that run between the final drives and the steering box, even if they have been snapped. Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 no worries i'll dig them out tomorrow and put up a pic, if you need them you can have them in exchange for a crate of foster's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johann morris Posted April 13, 2019 Author Share Posted April 13, 2019 You are a good man Eddy. Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 if i had a pound for everytime someone said that to me, i'd still be skint if i can help out i will and good for you for taking on such an ambitious project and making it happen. not many about that could do it, myself included Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowfat Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 have a look at this https://www.facebook.com/DerErstePanzer/?__tn__=kC-R&eid=ARACt7yzhHF8b4t1rJVN_sWwtc0x36lC4o01w9ipz_ujovTmgQg4gUv1mQQcJOawqgRYWi4f6_cbQoFr&hc_ref=ARQFY3myLe_P1LZ7GVn78jR-MGdvjzcUT1xu7pUBnNgshPqhi50n2YqUz-qXScg4l9Y&fref=nf&__xts__[0]=68.ARBNrxg1N9rmSG-SqKa7rypfBww4hn8s6MoYPgw2YygBQ9tdhpSaUh1LLvSKFO-owWXj5PmqXIOvfqEyws3tPmU6XPLI0kchkTEzn3UvOKYFhiogIWmTVYIiChl3H_aWV1z00fg1Ak43uBMFwKynFjQeKPQXXKshh3DsdMHqMjBioQGmiGDM2DHimpOnWB5KzrMiUm1alfWQqn-dDc1evDOVCH5LAk4dKM520TvoHmcDsQH0GGrBQdBNdI2KuSQ02QR2z4HvhswQBt1HfHaZ7AQSyOMLbe3wnzJ_Hp6UJq3Gy7qJzkaqQT4Yi-ael_W-x0CcEp2LcfW7wnYHn5OU33s--cF0ksqKU4rl1vDrcdjzr_jX8u6LhQ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolling-thunder Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 (edited) Would these tracks have been of any use? I wonder where they got them. A quote from their page from 2 weeks ago "from the foundry, with our models and machined by us." Edited April 13, 2019 by rolling-thunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johann morris Posted April 13, 2019 Author Share Posted April 13, 2019 A fantastic result from the outside, I wonder if the inside will be the same. Unlike my project, it looks like theirs is a "money is no object" project. The tracks are very nice but different to a Panzer II. If I could afford it, that's the one component that I would spend money on. jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johann morris Posted April 13, 2019 Author Share Posted April 13, 2019 Evening All, And back to reality. The cooling unit is complete, although quality control, the wife, has questioned my decision of not welding every join. It all fits ok as does the drive belt. I will now have to make the tensioner. next on the list was the exhaust which entailed replacing the stripped manifold studs. Out of the three that needed replacing, one came out ok, the others had to be drilled out and re-tapped. I centre popped the broken stud, drilled it with a 5mm drill before opening it out to 8.5mm and re-tapping the hole to 3/8" UNF. I haven't got any of the original components for the exhaust, so I am making it from scratch, although I will be using flexi pipe to join the manifold to the silencer. First I needed to make two flanges to suit the manifolds. I marked around the manifold flange and then cut the flange out with an angle grinder and ground it to shape. The bolts are there until the correct studs turn up. Then on to the exhaust pipe. I am using sections from a cut up Land Rover exhaust as these are the cheapest source of material. That's all for tonight folks. Jon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johann morris Posted April 16, 2019 Author Share Posted April 16, 2019 Evening All, The two into one manifold is all welded up and ready to be assembled onto the exhaust manifold. The cooling unit now looks more like an air conditioning unit and I have completed the airflow tract around the rear of the engine bay. To complete the exhaust I need a silencer, here goes, although silent probably won't be the word. Jon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Again amazed by the workmanship in creating this. Hopefully I'll see it driving some day, would love to see and hear it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 jon these are muff couplings and propshaft for your steering box, at least i think they are, if memory serves me right.( it's been a long time since i messed around with 432 series) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johann morris Posted April 18, 2019 Author Share Posted April 18, 2019 Eddy, They are perfect I will pm you. Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johann morris Posted April 18, 2019 Author Share Posted April 18, 2019 Evening All, I think that all these pictures are overloading the system, as it keeps playing silly buggers. However, on to more important issues. One finished exhaust silencer. I have been having problems finding information and pictures of the silencer retaining brackets, the Tank Museums Panzer II is a later model, so the silencer is different. Armed with the information that I do have and some artistic licence this is what I have come up with. On the original tank, where the exhaust exits the hull, there is an armoured cover. This is my version. Over the silencer there should be a heat shield, I have looked at loads of pictures and the variation of the hole configurations seems to be quite varied, so I have settled on this one. In total, 568 holes to drill, bugger. And I am not quite finished drilling holes yet. Jon 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRDM Driver Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 1 hour ago, johann morris said: Evening All, I think that all these pictures are overloading the system, as it keeps playing silly buggers. However, on to more important issues. One finished exhaust silencer. I have been having problems finding information and pictures of the silencer retaining brackets, the Tank Museums Panzer II is a later model, so the silencer is different. Armed with the information that I do have and some artistic licence this is what I have come up with. On the original tank, where the exhaust exits the hull, there is an armoured cover. This is my version. Over the silencer there should be a heat shield, I have looked at loads of pictures and the variation of the hole configurations seems to be quite varied, so I have settled on this one. In total, 568 holes to drill, bugger. And I am not quite finished drilling holes yet. Jon Bet you wish your mill was CNC! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapper02 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Brilliant Jon! I love following this build and look forward to every new post! -Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johann morris Posted April 18, 2019 Author Share Posted April 18, 2019 Those holes were drilled by hand on a very old Medings pillar drill that my Father and I went halves on, it cost a whole £10.00. Every time I use that drill I think of my father. Jon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowfat Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Top Draw... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johann morris Posted April 19, 2019 Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 Thanks lowfat and tapper02. It's been such a lovely day that I have been gardening so only one picture today. Jon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johann morris Posted April 29, 2019 Author Share Posted April 29, 2019 (edited) Evening All, In truth not much to show you but it's taken longer than I would have expected. The fan belt tensioner pully, bought as a standard pulley and then bored out to suit the bearing. The fan belt tensioner in place. I had intended to tension the belt upwards but the distributer was in the way, so I had to modify my ideas and tension it downwards. I am surprised that no one has mentioned that the fan that I have shown in the past, would be rotating in the wrong direction, well, it was only there to test the theory. I couldn't find a steel fan that rotated in the correct direction in the UK, so I had to import one. All the cooling pipes are now in place. And finally I needed two adapters for the engine oil cooler, I couldn't find anything, so as usual, I made them. Then a small set back occurred...……………... Edited April 29, 2019 by johann morris needed editing 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 On 4/29/2019 at 10:04 PM, johann morris said: Then a small set back occurred...……………... Ah come on....don't leave us hanging like that... What happened? -Meteor strike -Flooding -The Fluffy Duckling apocalypse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johann morris Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 None of those, however I can confirm that the fluffy ducklings are still on the pond and seem happy. It's the flipping engine. If you go back to the beginning, you will find that I had intended to use a Land Rover 300 TDI engine but others seemed to think that a straight six would be a better idea and to be honest, I would prefer a petrol. I did a bit of research and the Jag 6 cylinder seemed ok, I contacted a classic car specialist who seemed to know what he was talking about and all seemed well. I purchased a 1986 engine and ecu and made everything to suit, hours of work. At last on Monday it was time to sort the electrics and hopefully this week brrrm brrrm. As I studied the wiring components and the associated wiring diagrams I realised that the ecu wasn't the correct one for that engine, further more the wiring loom that they had supplied was incorrect for the engine and the ecu, so I have a selection of random bits. The wiring loom, I could cope with, as long as I have the correct ecu plugs but there is no way the engine and ecu are going to communicate when the ecu requires a multitude of sensors that the older engine hasn't got. The easy way would be to get another ecu to suit the engine but I cant find one and my original supplier hasn't got one. After talking to the supplier he has suggested that he sends me a latter engine which seems ok, as long as all the belt pulleys line up or I am into another load of work. But and here's my biggest concern, will a latter model have a anti theft detection in the ecu and if so…………….. Why oh why didn't I stick to the 300tdi. Really fed up and pissed off, Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowfat Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 (edited) I cant believe that the solution is a different engine for the sake of an ecu.. that is barmy have a look here https://trigger-wheels.com/store/contents/en-uk/d47.html Id be bloody annoyed if a package bought from a specialist was completely wrong.. furious in fact Edited May 1, 2019 by lowfat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johann morris Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 Actually, I am more disappointed at the moment but having exchanged emails with the supplier, he assures me that there will not be an issue. Being a bit old fashioned, I still have some faith in people and I hope that it will all be sorted out in the near future. Looking on the positive side, it gives me time to make some of the other components that I will need, such as the fuel tank. Jon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogmaner Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 (edited) The other way is to go old school back to carb and points ,this is how I fitted my Munga with a Nissan 16v twin cam. Edited May 3, 2019 by mogmaner Autocorrect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoseman Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 ECU’s and modern electronics, the bane of any vehicle builder! go old school, no electronics . . . . Points, condenser can be changed to electronics if need be, but problems with ECU’s, modules and plug n plays. Plenty of old school 6 cylinders out there if needed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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