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Evening All, Sorry John if it were easy I would put it on just for you but I am afraid that you will have to wait. The upper hull has had it's attachment flanges added and the whole structur

Thanks Tapper, it feels very close and yet there are still several major hurdles to negotiate but that's all part of the challenge.    Time for an update me thinks.   I have finish

Thanks again for the comments, they are all very encouraging, especially during the periods where enthusiasm is lacking. I always try to finish my projects as though they have just left the facto

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Evening and thanks for the information, I realise now that I should have been a bit more specific in my comments. You are correct there are several different Zubehorkasten but there is one that is specific to the    Panzer ll, the nearest that I can find is the One from the Tiger tank pictured below but the dimensions are wrong.

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In this box the gun butt is stored on top of the bipod, thus the box is approximately 150mm wide, (because that is the dimension across the horns of the butt) by 380mm(the length of the bipod) by 80, the length of the removeable sight. The box that I seek has approximate dimensions of 440mm x 250mm x 60mm so the storage arrangements inside the box, must be different. 

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I have the same problem with the MG Werkzeugtasche  and the 2cm kwk Zubehorkasten that are stored inside the tank.

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The standard German armoured fighting vehicle had a steel MG Werkzeug

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But the early Panzers appear to have had a leather MG Werkzeugtasche as pictured above and in this Panzer 3

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Now it has been suggested that these pictures are only storage pictures and the actual vehicle had either a steel box or the standard MG34 gunners pouch

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In fact if you study the pictures of the inside of the tank museums Panzer ll you can see the fixing points for the

said pouch and the spacings are too far apart for either the standard gunners pouch or the steel box.

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Then there's the 2cmKwk Zubehorkasten, I have searched  and I cannot find any information that relates to this particular box, I can find 2cm Zubehorkasten boxes but not that would fit and looking at the pictures of the angled brackets and what look like wood screws, I would think that this box could be made of wood.

 

I could be wrong and if anyone has more information then I would be happy to receive it, the next step is to get down to Bovington and see what is in the archive but when?

 

Jon

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Evening All,

Update time again.

I am still working my way around the track guards making all the various parts, boxes etc.

On the right hand track guard, at the rear, there is a box described as a Werkzeugkasten III or toolbox, what exactly goes in it I have no idea. The box on top of the Wrkzeugkasten on the Tank museums Panzer II is an addition and isn't relevant to the Ausf C.

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Obviously mine.

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On the last update I mentioned the MG Zubehorkasten which caused some confusion. This is my recreation, which I think is somewhere near but how the items that it held were arranged, is still a mystery.

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The last item this evening, is what is described as Zwischenrohr zur Andrehkurbel or Intermediate tube to the crank handle. What the Intermediate tube to the crank handle actually looks like, I have no idea.

An original on the tank museums PZII

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and mine.

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The catch used to close this tube and several other boxes caused me some head scratching. You can buy them from the good old USA at around $20 each, which to my mind is too expensive, especially as I need around 15 of them. They are not perfect but good enough.

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Or I could make them from scratch myself but I am too lazy. Then I came across these on that evil auction site.

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The dimensions are very similar to the original but of course they look totally different. With a little bit of imagination, some alteration and a new latch arm, I think that they look quite passable and all for £1.19 each.

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That's all folks.

 

Jon

 

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Found this online here:   https://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/forum/wehrmacht-uniforms-and-equipment/achtung-panzer-forum/948167-fresh-find-five-panzer-werkzeugkasten-mit-inhalt-identify-please#post7183007

Now it's possible that the term applies to No. 3 tool box and that the toolbox is different for each model of vehicle but thought it might help.

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Evening all,

Not much to report on the Panzer front, as I have been busy with other non military projects that I appear to have gained.

As for the Panzer i have been removing the parts that i have previously made and under coating them ready for a top coat as and when.

A quite interesting little project that i have finished is the rotary coupling that connects power and audio from the hull up into the turret.

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I had thought of using a cheap slip ring as sold on ebay and modifying it to suit but i don't think that it will be man enough, so i decided to knock something up myself. 

The rotary junction is bolted to the hull floor and attaches to the leg of the commanders seat, the cables then run inside of the seat support leg and into the turret.

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I thought that i had taken loads more pictures but it appears that i didn't. This is the rotor and the copper ring connectors, sorry if my descriptive terms are incorrect but i can't think what the individual components would be called.

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The copper is 35mm plumbing tube pressed over nylon insulators with the relevant wires soldered in.

All the external connectors  that i have used are clansman but i couldn't find a female socket, so i used a bulkhead fitting and turned up a two part housing that pushes together and sealed it all by covering it with heat shrink.

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The outer housing has a bearing top and bottom and an oil seal at the top to stop dirt getting in but i forgot to take a photo of the completed unit.

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The whole unit is housed in a fabricated steel enclosure that will be sealed with silicon on final assembly.

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Now a question for those who know more than I. Is there a recommended lubricant that i can use to stop corrosion of the copper, brass components, i was going to use vaseline or copper grease but neither are conductive and i fear that there will be a build up of any lubricant between the end of the probe and the copper ring that will cause problems. Any ideas?

 

That's all for now.

 

Jon

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so i decided to knock something up myself.

Hmm, understatement or what? As regards the rings, I'd protect the contact areas, varnish the lot, clean the contact areas again and then a dab of vaseline.  Your main potentials will be at the brass / copper joints.

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You could fill the housing with hyd oil. It may seem daft but it works, we use it for electronic components and sliprings with signal lines and HV around 3kv as well as optical sliprings. It works fine and will keep out moisture and help the bearings.

It will need seals of course but its a thought..

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If the housing will be sealed with RTV, how likely is it that you'll get moisture build up in there?

Could you use a DC motor commutator lubricant?

Alternatively could you just put dessicant in there and change it occasionally?

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For contact treatment we used to use a lubricant called Cramolin Red for precision electronic switches. It was expensive and the boss always was reminding us to use it sparingly the bottle lasted years. It is no longer available but a product called D100L-25C DeoxIT is supposed to be the replacement it can be bought from the electronics component supplier CPC.

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13 hours ago, Gordon_M said:

Hmm, understatement or what? As regards the rings, I'd protect the contact areas, varnish the lot, clean the contact areas again and then a dab of vaseline.  Your main potentials will be at the brass / copper joints.

Thanks Gordon, when you say varnish, what sort of varmish?

12 hours ago, Mk3iain said:

You could fill the housing with hyd oil. It may seem daft but it works, we use it for electronic components and sliprings with signal lines and HV around 3kv as well as optical sliprings. It works fine and will keep out moisture and help the bearings.

It will need seals of course but its a thought..

Interesting suggestion, the unit has already got seals at either end of the shaft but i would imagine in situ servicing would be a very messy business. I would rather keep it oil free if truth be known but worth remembering for future reference.

2 hours ago, Sean N said:

If the housing will be sealed with RTV, how likely is it that you'll get moisture build up in there?

Could you use a DC motor commutator lubricant?

Alternatively could you just put dessicant in there and change it occasionally?

DC motor commutator lubricant was my first thought, i just wondered if people had any experience and any recommended products. There isn't enough room to incorporate any dessicant material.

Tanks for the suggestions, any more?

Jon

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34 minutes ago, johann morris said:

Thanks Gordon, when you say varnish, what sort of varnish?

 

The sort you get on bare electrical conductors in a motor, that brown stuff, any electrical repair place could let you have some.  Basic suggestion was to coat everything inside that assembly apart from the contact areas, and smear those with vaseline or grease.

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