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Close up of two of the photos and one more of the water and petrol dump. That`s the lot.

  I do have other negs and photos but do not think they could be taken in Libya. just found out there taken in Egypt in 1955 post war.

           Keith

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Farewell to you Lords, Ladies, noble friends and those few of less than honourable intent, for the grains of Tripolitanian sands have ebbed from the timer of patience and tolerance, some grains seemin

Hi, I hope you will excuse me for butting in on your site. I served in Tripoli in 1957/58/59 with X Plt TK-Tprs 38 Coy R A S C. based at Medenine Bks driving Diamond T units pulling dyson trailers. We

Here are a few photos taken from my original negs in Libya. Keith

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Farewell to you Lords, Ladies, noble friends and those few of less than honourable intent, for the grains of Tripolitanian sands have ebbed from the timer of patience and tolerance, some grains seemingly misappropriated and becoming tainted, so I regret the best thing to do with regard to this thread which I love, is to turn it over to you to populate with your photos and interesting content. I shall perhaps look in from time to time as an outsider and provide, if I'm able, some history to what you've added.

You can find me on LI and through my company website if you wish to connect. The quest to publish the Tripolitania book(s) continues unabated and I'm pleased to inform you that I've just received around 260 new and previously unseen photos featuring The Bays, 6RTR and 219 Tripolitania Royal Signals Squadron from Veterans who were there. Nearing 3,000 photos and slides now.

Thank you for your participation, generousity and support.

Kindest Regards,

Lizzie Taylor

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Farewell to you Lords, Ladies, noble friends and those few of less than honourable intent, for the grains of Tripolitanian sands have ebbed from the timer of patience and tolerance, some grains seemingly misappropriated and becoming tainted, so I regret the best thing to do with regard to this thread which I love, is to turn it over to you to populate with your photos and interesting content. I shall perhaps look in from time to time as an outsider and provide, if I'm able, some history to what you've added.

Very sad to see this, Ive loved the discussions and insights this thread has provided. Please BlueBelle keep us up to date with the progress of your book.

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36 minutes ago, wally dugan said:

it is very sad that lizzie had to take this action due to the actions of a few

and we as a forum are  poorer for it

I agree with Wally, this does happen a lot. A few of my photos have been used as well, on this and other forums without saying who the owner was of the originals.

 I hope Lizzie all the Best with her book.

 Keith

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Lizzie,

 

I am sorry to see you go and would ask you to reconsider.  Yours has been a most fascinating, informative and lively thread which enjoyed a good following.

I'm afraid one of the downsides of the internet is the ease with which photographs, music and much more can "leak" from its origins and appear elsewhere with no credit to the originator,  but we all know that anything we put on the web is in the public domain, for better or worse, and it will be there long after we are gone and no longer matter - but, in this case, these photographs will have been your contribution to greater knowledge for us now and for those who come after us.

But, annoying for you though it is, I'm sure you agree that, in historical terms, it is better that these photographs are out there "in the wild" than locked in a dusty drawer to be thrown out by unaware or uninterested relatives after the aged owner dies.   

Keep back those you want to use in your book, of course, but, don't regret the spread of those you have posted - you have the satisfaction of knowing where they came from, while members of the Champ fraternity (I'm not one, by the way), will have gained enormous pleasure from them as well and I am sure there are many other places where your photos are appearing and being enjoyed - places we've probably never even heard of!

As you have said, you enjoy this thread, it won't work without your contribution, so get back in the saddle and keep this thread going, which is, after all, at the very core of Historic Military Vehicles.

And, yes, I am sure I shall buy a copy of your book in due course!

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On 20/12/2017 at 6:09 AM, snort said:

That will be a big loss,I have loved seeing the pictures and your views

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Lizzie,

As an ex Libya hand, civi not military, I have thoroughly enjoyed your posts, they have quite taken me back to happy days wandering around the desert. And of course we all want to see photo of our vehicles actually in use in the real world.

 

Gordon

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I'm also sorry to see you go.  Although I wasn't able to contribute much  I always looked forward to the new posts, both for the pictures and for the information that accompanied them.  It is rare to find such a great range of in photos of in-service vehicles from 50s and 60s .  I shall look out for your book. 

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Hi Lizzie

Great to see the Tripoli badge/logo again after all this time! I used to have several of these lying around but they have now all disappeared.

Perhaps I should start by explaining our role in the RAPC at the District Pay Office. Prinn Barracks,Tripoli and my small part in this.

The Office was formed to take care of Pay and Allowances of the British Army serving in the Middle East making sure that all received their proper entitlements . I think there were around 30 Other Ranks working there and these were mainly Nat. Service conscripts with approx 6 Regulars. We had an Office Commanding (lt.Col Skeates).a Major (Griffiths), W O 1 (Offord) and a couple of Sergeants.. My job was that of a Postman which involved collection and delivery of mail around the Tripoli area and despatch of mail to various bases around the Middle East. I had the use of a civilian driver along with use of transport, usually a Land Rover,Standard Vanguard Car, Wilys Jeep, Austin Champ or whatever small transport was available. That completes my knowledge of Military vehicles so any enthusiasts can stop reading now!

The Barracks at Prinn were pretty basic and perhaps typical of British Barracks generally. I think they were built by the Italians at the time when it was an Italian Colony. There were some married quarters for Regulars on the base and we had a Food Hall, Naafi, a Tailor and Hairdresser along with a large Dhobi Tent . There was a transport Unit based there (do not remember Unit) along with a Military Police Unit. So there were always all types of vehicles around.. The camp certainly bore no resemblance to the nearby American Air Force Base at Wheelus Field which was like another world in comparison!

My memories of the area have become a little hazy as it is about 60 years since I was there but I'll let you know what I can recall of the various barracks.

Almost daily I had to collect mail from the RAF base at Idris Airport which at the time was the  only  Airport serving Tripoli for military and civilian flights.  On the way back towards Tripoli centre we would pass on the left the large British Military Hospital which was operated by QARANC's . Approx 2/3 miles before Tripoli Centre we would take a right towards Prinn Barracks (I do not know the name of this road).  On the left hand side of this road we would pass what I believe was the REME workshops and after this. again on the left came the Military Corrective Establishment (M,C,E) which was quite a large Camp. Eventually coming to Prinn barracks on the right hand side set back.

The MCE was run by the "Redcaps" and was a scary place to visit and I was always glad that I was only a visitor and not an inmate! Some years later I saw a film called "The Hill" which starred Sean Connery and I' m sure the film was based on this MCE.

You will know how hot it could be in Libya and I felt for the inmates as they were marched everywhere "on the double" usually carrying buckets of water for no apparent reason..

More to come in due course. I will post some photos when i have sorted out how to do this on the website!.

regards

roy

 

 

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Hi all, I’ve read this thread with great interest. I wonder if any of you can help me please. I have this photo of my Dad (in white overalls second from left) and wondered if anyone can tell me anything about 115 Command which is where the picture was taken. I believe it was a petrol depot and think it was taken around 1951 as my sister was born in Libya that year. I’m currently sending for my Dad’s army service record to see if I can find out more as we (my sister and I) know nothing about his regiment or rank, etc but I believe he was RASC. 

He was also a lorry driver for the NAAFI in the 60’s early 70’s in Derbyshire, England. 

As there was so many photos on here from around the time in Libya, the thread drew me in and any help would be gratefully received 😊

Thank you.

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On 8/30/2016 at 10:28 PM, Richard Farrant said:

 

Could that be a Morris Commercial MRA1 in the background? Pretty sure it is not a K9

I came across this feed by accident, my father Staff Sargent George "Arty" Marsh RE was in Lybia mid 50's till 61 ish I believe, my 2 younger sisters were born there. Dad looked after a power station water pump somewhere near Leptis Magna if I remember the location correctly. He was seconded to the tank regiment there and have proof as me and my sister can be seen playing on them on some old 8mm cine film my dad took. There is also a massive parade in the desert with literally hundreds of military vehicles, tanks, ferrets, trucks etc etc. My email is chris_marsh2@sky.com, I could possibly send some footage in return some history on my dad I'd anyone new him.

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Hi, I hope you will excuse me for butting in on your site. I served in Tripoli in 1957/58/59 with X Plt TK-Tprs 38 Coy R A S C. based at Medenine Bks driving Diamond T units pulling dyson trailers. We served the Queens Bays at Sabratha and the 6 RTR at Homs . From memory they were both equiped with ceturion tanks. I do have a few photos that may be of interest. Thanks and many regards   23472848 Len Lucas

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On 3/29/2020 at 3:06 PM, len lucas said:

Hi, I hope you will excuse me for butting in on your site. I served in Tripoli in 1957/58/59 with X Plt TK-Tprs 38 Coy R A S C. based at Medenine Bks driving Diamond T units pulling dyson trailers. We served the Queens Bays at Sabratha and the 6 RTR at Homs . From memory they were both equiped with ceturion tanks. I do have a few photos that may be of interest. Thanks and many regards   23472848 Len Lucas

Hello Len,

I wonder if you had a big brother there same time as yourself? 22848487 Cpl Douglas Harold Lucas RASC 38 (MT) Coy RAMC? I have records for him, his wife and children born in Tripoli and baptised at Christ The King.

I've messaged you privately but no response, perhaps you're not logging in to check for a response or that your settings are not selected to notify you by email that you've got a new message. It would be great to connect as I'd like to further my research on shifting Centurions around Tripolitania. One of your DTs tripped up the snake-bended Garian Pass carrying a 'German' Sexton SPG from Medenine Barracks to the desert location of the film 'Ice Cold in Alex'. Another DT from 'your place' would have taken the same Sexton, still in its DAK livery, from 595 Ord Depot RAOC Kassala Barracks to the range area on TA24. I have the photo and colour photos of the said Sexton, collected from your drop-off point, under tow by an ARV Mk1 of 6RTR south of Zliten (not Zavia as I first wrote!) to be placed as a hard target for the Centurions of 6RTR.... 1959. I know the commander of that ARV and, I know a Centurion gunner or two that shot at the Sexton. Rumoured the shattered hulk and bits were collected by an enterprising Arab from Zliten who put it back together, under a tent, with added bits from the many Stuart Gun Tractors, Dingos and Halftracks that littered those ranges!

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On 8/3/2019 at 11:04 AM, Chris marsh 1955 said:

I came across this feed by accident, my father Staff Sargent George "Arty" Marsh RE was in Lybia mid 50's till 61 ish I believe, my 2 younger sisters were born there. Dad looked after a power station water pump somewhere near Leptis Magna if I remember the location correctly. He was seconded to the tank regiment there and have proof as me and my sister can be seen playing on them on some old 8mm cine film my dad took. There is also a massive parade in the desert with literally hundreds of military vehicles, tanks, ferrets, trucks etc etc. My email is chris_marsh2@sky.com, I could possibly send some footage in return some history on my dad I'd anyone new him.

We are connected now ..... even though I'd not looked at this thread for 18 months! He has info, official docs and photos from me now. Happiness.

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On 12/13/2017 at 10:50 AM, Morris C8 said:

Close up of two of the photos and one more of the water and petrol dump. That`s the lot.

  I do have other negs and photos but do not think they could be taken in Libya. just found out there taken in Egypt in 1955 post war.

           Keith

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Dear Keith - this appears to be the Italian hangar at the airfield of Murzuk. It was raided by the LRDG in early 1941...and still looks the same (at least it did about ten years ago when I was there last)

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On 7/22/2020 at 6:10 AM, Kuno said:

Dear Keith - this appears to be the Italian hangar at the airfield of Murzuk. It was raided by the LRDG in early 1941...and still looks the same (at least it did about ten years ago when I was there last)

Beg to differ. I am correct, it's a view of the hangar at Sebha in 1960.... taken from on high.... the fort at Sebha on the very high mound. The photos in Keith's series that I've been most fortunate to have been loaned for scanning were all taken by a Cyclops squadron 2RTR member as every photo depicts...... Cyclops. The locations of the series of photos depicts the two that Cyclops 'visited' early on in 1960...... Ex Starlight (they were umpires) at Tmimi (which my father went on), Cyrenaica and Ex Crescent Moon to the Fezzan -Toumo water hole in the Tibesti Mountains (which my father went on!). The route (I have both official 2RTR exercise reports and maps) to Toumo did not take the squadron anywhere near Murzak.

I have seen online photos of the hangar at Murzak and...... it did not look like the one in the 2RTR photo. If you Kuno, in all of your 'expert' Libya travels seeking WW2/DAK or whatever 'stuff', say you saw the hangar at Murzak then why did you not photograph it given the opportunity and the historical importance of the structure.... even if scrap cars and goats were kept in it?

I sometimes wonder how 'expert' you are in your Libya offerings? You got in wrong elsewhere in this thread where you thought the photo of the angled/pointy structure that had a wheel of a Scammell up against it was something you'd seen elsewhere many times and was perhaps... can't see it right now, something funerial or was it a milestone..... and again, something so unusual and of obvious historical importance that you'd not bothered photographing what you'd said you'd seen. Well, that structure has since proved to be an angled buttress wall of an Italian ammunition blockhouse/bunker designed to deflect vehicles/blasts affecting the blockhouse! And another thing, I've watched with interest the posts in your DAK forums arguing about the point where Tripoli's kilo 5 was, where it was measured from and to which barracks at kilo 5 the first DAK tanks were stationed at. It made sad reading but I kept going as I hoped to learn something positive from the forums...... about barrack names and locations in particular (I've also located every Italian/British barracks used before and after WW2 in Tripoli ... official Italian/German/British military maps.... and all to be seen on Google Earth!). I found out what I needed to know elsewhere by a scientific process of research! I know all that you were seeking in relation to your DAK. Research is everything Kuno, come on, do please up your game and give us all something worthwhile, please. Contradict me if you wish but best to back it up lest I shoot you down! 

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Dear "Blue Belle"

I is several years ago since I have posted in this forum. I am very surprised about the unpleasant and aggressive tone of your following post. You could have simply stated that you believe it is another place and brought your arguments...

English is actually not my mother tingue but I have deliberately written "it appears to be..."

I attach here a photo of the old hangar at Murzuk. It was not taken from the air and also not from acomparable angle as the one above. But what was pointing to Murzuk to me was the small building attached to the main hangar... I took my phot in 2007.

Now as said above "it appears"... the Italians had the very practical and economical habit to standartise their buildings. Most typical to be seen amongst the farmhouses... and (but I have no photographic proof for that) possibly also for buildings at airports.

Looking at Google Earth now I can revise my statement and confirm that the old photo shows the hangar at Sebha, the other small buildings on the photo are still there and such buildings are missing at Murzuk. 

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Other point: Are you sure the "Tummo waterhole" is marked in the Tibesti mountains on your fathers map? The one well of this name I am aware of is located about 250 kms north-west from the westermost point of the Tibesti. There would also be the Italian landing ground "Campo Uno" at the same place. 

 

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Please calm down, Chill out. These pictures and the thread are fantastic. To an outsider one piece of sand looks like any other, it is only when people put there mark on it that it comes to life in a different way. Reminicences and place names get easily transposed in everyday life. They at least give a starting point. If anyone is going to use information it is up to them to check for unintentional errors that may have crept in. Kuno if English is not your mother tongue you are  doing a good job with it. Stay safe. Any more pictures of Diamond T's or Scammell Pioneer/Explorer Tank transporters please.

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